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Author: wjk
Date: 2003-04-09 18:28
Any opinions re: the stoltzman/yo yo ma Cd of a few years back-- I believe it has pieces by Beethoven and Brahms among others.
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Author: ALOMARvelous12
Date: 2003-04-09 20:52
Just wondering...did Yo-Yo Ma play on a viola when he recorded Mozart's Kegelstadt trio with Stoltzman and Emanuel Ax? The recording sounds like a viola and higher than cello territory, but they have him listed as "Yo-Yo Ma, Cello"
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Author: Stéphane
Date: 2003-04-09 21:48
Ma definitely played his cello for the 3 works: Beethoven op.11 trio, Brahms op.114 trio and the Mozart indeed.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-04-10 13:51
Not my favorite record, I find Stoltzman's type of vibrato a bit distracting for some reason in the Brahms.
David Dow
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Author: Jerry McD.
Date: 2003-04-10 14:09
I think the Brahms' is the strongest cut on the album (did I just say album? I must be getting old). In my opinion the Mozart just didn't work with cello. Ma played it beautifully but the sound just didn't work. The Beethoven is o.k. but it isn't my favorite piece to begin with so I couldn't get that excited about it. In general, about the only thing I like about Stoltzman's playing is the way he plays Brahms. Whether you agree with his musical choices or not, the passion he puts into playing Brahms works for me. Does this recording rank with some of the all-time great recordings of this piece (Brahms op. 114)? I think it really depends on what you think of Stoltzman's playing.....and we all know what can of worms that can open. Anyway, I think this cd is certainly worthy of a place in any serious library of clarinet music. Where you rank it is certainly up for debate, but it is worth owning.
Jerry McD.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-04-10 16:04
I really admire Stoltman and intreptively he is fantastic here, I find however, at times the endings of phrases he tends to vibrate more in spots and I think this leads to less of a listening experience for myself. I really like a straight sound in Brahms and thinks vibrato of this sort is not in keeping with the long tradition of Brahmns interpretion.
That being said, as for individuality and nujance-- I think this a a super record. As a total divergence go to the Lesiter recording or even the one done by Alfred Prinz on eurodisc.
David Dow
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2003-04-10 16:50
D Dow wrote: "I really like a straight sound in Brahms and thinks vibrato of this sort is not in keeping with the long tradition of Brahmns interpretion"
Which tradition? Mühlfeld used vibrato, so it's obviously not the tradition stemming from him that you're talking about!
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Author: Nick Angiolillo
Date: 2003-04-10 22:24
ALOMAR.. Ma was not playing a viola, rather, it was a strange instrument called an "alto violin". He plays this also for some recordings, such as the Bartok Viola Concerto. It is larger than a viola, and played like a cello although it is much smaller. It looks quite funny to see someone play one!
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Author: Henry
Date: 2003-04-10 23:10
I believe that the viola and "alto violin" are identical. At least in the Netherlands, a viola is known as an "alt viool".
Henry
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Author: Nick Angiolillo
Date: 2003-04-11 02:09
They are not the same here.. an alto violin is significantly larger than a viola, and is played as a cello on one's lap.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2003-04-29 22:30
I just heard the Mozart Kegelstatt on the radio today for the first time, and I must say that I was highly impressed with the playing of all three.
I thought that MOST of the places Stoltzman used vibrato were very appropriate (there were a couple that I did find distracting). I also thought that Ma sounded great too, and had no problems with the sound of whatever instrument he was playing. My only complaint (and this may have been my car stereo) was that the clarinet was often too loud and threw off the balance of the group as a whole!
Katrina
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Author: cyso_clarinetist
Date: 2003-04-30 05:38
heh.. stoltzman on brahms. What turns me off is the fact that he uses vibrato. I understand some musicians use this to play and quite honestly I am not a very big fan of vibrato on clarinet. I don't know where I heard it but I remember this quote, "Vibrato shows a lack of music thought when playing the clarinet". Not to say in the least that stoltzman has a lack of musical thought but he should have taken in consideration that is german rep and that I doubt the composer wanted the clarinet to be using vibrato.
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Author: kenbear
Date: 2003-04-30 06:13
cyso clarinetist-
Interesting to note that Jack Brymer writes in his book "The Clarinet" of, as a young man, meeting an elderly viola player who'd played the Brahms Quintet with Richard Muhlfeld (Muhlfeld's playing was the inspiration for Brahms' clarinet works).
When Brymer asked what the violist could recall of Muhlfeld's performance, he replied "big vibrato". Brymer thought the violist meant "rubato" so put the question again. The old gent assured him: "big vibrato".
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2003-04-30 10:00
cyso_clarinetist wrote:
"he should have taken in consideration that is german rep and that I doubt the composer wanted the clarinet to be using vibrato."
As Kenbear said, Mühlfeld used vibrato. He was a violinist before he became a clarinetist. Brahms wrote the sonatas, trio and quintet especially for Mühlfeld, so the composer in this case definitely expected the clarinetist to use vibrato!
Just because you don't like vibrato, and many modern German players don't use it, doesn't mean that Brahms didn't like it!
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