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Author: Jeff Young
Date: 2003-04-07 18:30
Can anyone give me a history of the 5 key clarinet, or links to some sites where I can find information on the 5 key clarinet? I have to do a project on the 5 key clarinet, and am at a loss of where to start. Thanks!
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-04-07 19:00
The Clarinet - Oskar Kroll
The Clarinet - F. Geoffrey Rendall
Clarinet - Jack Brymer
A brief overview will also be found in Groves, as well as a number of other clarinet related texts.
Use primary sources and reference material before using web sites.
Due to the high probability of inaccuracies, web site information should be your last approach...GBK
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-04-07 23:53
Sorry, before my time (barely).
GBK has steered you well and properly. I suggest particular attention to Kroll and Rendall.
Regards,
John
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-04-08 01:08
Yes, those are prob. the best sources. Baines [paperback] Woodwind Insts and History gives details on keying history, and our local library has a large book of pics with prob. some of late 1700-early 1800 clarinets. Our several US [music] museums likely have a few on exhibit, I'm sure the major Eur. museums, Bate and German have many. Ask Al Rice, Fiske Museum, Claremont Colleges, CA for help. Luck, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-04-08 01:58
Curt Sachs in Hist. of Mus. Insts, pg 412-3 dates the 4th and 5th keys as "middle of century" [1700s] and 6th key as 1791. In my "2500 Hist. WW Insts", [newer edition available], makers Hale amd A Hopkins each have several 5's shown as on exhibit in the US. Real antiques! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Karel
Date: 2003-04-08 10:54
In the "online clarinet resource" articles is an article by Brian Ackerman "The history of early clainet" which may be helpful.
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Author: Tom A
Date: 2003-04-08 11:46
Jeffrey, Jeffrey, poor misguided guy! Clearly you're not aware of the fates of the last two poor kids who asked for information from real, live people on this site, rather than cloistering themselves in a silent and impersonal, yet virtuous library like decent people do. You've been lucky with the first replies.
My apologies for editorialising. Now for the public spanking.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-04-08 15:11
Jeff - As Karel suggested, I made an AOL-Google search for "Brian Ackerman" and quickly found his definitive article, with a fine discussion of the 5 Key cl, etc. Perhaps adding "AND clarinet" to the name search would help eliminate other retrievals. I neglected to mention earlier that there is a Yahoo Group "earlyclarinet" where the experts [such as Al Rice] re: our antiques, discuss their technical details. Best wishes, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-04-08 18:22
Jeff - I have done some more research re: info-links into 5 key history for YOUR use, to write YOUR paper. Since Sach's book attributes the 4th and 5th keys to Barthold Fritz [an organ-maker], Braunschweig, Ger.?, I searched under his name AND clarinet AND history, finding a brief history [search for "Clark, Francis Edward", 3rd in my retrieval, the only one re: clar, not religion!], a lengthy all-years history, by Barrett, and 17 pages of "Prehistoire" de la Clarinette [in French], also a downloaded ?catalog? by Selmer. These should provide for your needs, and keep you busy for a while. If you have difficulty finding these refs, contact me by E-Mail, this obviously got me interested also. Regards, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Dee
Date: 2003-04-08 22:49
To: William the Conqueror
The difference was in Jeffrey's approach. By asking for links, he indicated his willingness to do the work. He also conveyed to the denizens of the board in his following sentences that his problem was that he didn't know how to begin. So naturally every one responded in kind, pointing the fellow in productive directions. This is quite different from some of the posters we see who have more of an "I have an assignment due and can you tell me everything about ..." approach.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-04-08 23:03
Dee...very well said.
Pointing someone in the correct direction is very helpful to the poster and quite proper to do. It is one of the advantages of having this great bulletin board. The sharing of different research techniques is enlightening to all of us.
Doing the research for them is not...GBK
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-04-08 23:33
TKS Dee and GBK, I have been "biting my tongue" to NOT respond to Wm "The Conq", but, by using "YOUR", to point out that the use Jeff makes of the info I may have helped to find, is his to fulfill the assignment. Having had working years of patent/literature info retrieval for attorneys and techs, I try to NOT go too far toward the ultimate objective. I do appreciate your comments and will read carefully any further suggestions y'all may have. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Jeff Young
Date: 2003-04-09 01:35
Thank you all for your help, and as Dee said, I was not trying to get someone to do the work for me, just for someone to point me in the right direction. I'm not one to slack on work, I just wanted some helpful hints. Thanks again...for the information..and for spelling my name right! (Most people spell it JeffERY instead of JeffREY)...thanks again!
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Author: Albert Rice
Date: 2003-04-10 17:41
Dear Mr. Young,
For a brief history of the five-key clarinet, I suggest that you consult my article "Clarinet Fingering Charts, 1732-1816" in the The Galpin Society Journal (1984), pp. 16-41.
My book, "The Clarinet in the Classical Period" (New York: Oxford University Press, 2003) will be available by July of this year. It is over 300 pages in length and includes chapters on the construction of the instrument and its historical development in various countries, its playing techniques, the various types of music written between 1758 and 1830, and the use of the clarinet in performance groups during this time period.
Albert R. Rice
Albert R. Rice
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