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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-03-27 16:31
Dear Freinds: Currently doing the West Side Story and having a great ole time of it.
what I find fascinating is just how bad some musicals are. I know some may not agree but if you have done as many shows as I had you easily learn which ones to hate. However, if you gotta live, you gotta live.
Here are my least favorite shows....
Annie(schlocky)
Grease(downright overdone and hacked)
Sound of Music(sitting in the pit of this one is quite boring)....again overdone
Phantom of the Opera (totally cloying and sentimental and noisy in places)
My favorites are
Sweeney Todd
West Side Story
Oklahoma
Guys and dolls
Girl Crazy (good Eb clarinet part)
David Dow
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Author: Tom Piercy
Date: 2003-03-27 16:47
some I've either played in or music directed & directed:
Faves:
West Side Story
Nine - great clarinet and sax part; some real sexy solos
Cabaret
Follies
Least faves:
Baby
Camelot
Was asked to direct Chess this past year and passed it up due to boredom brought on by watching it.
Tom Piercy
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Author: mikeW
Date: 2003-03-27 16:59
While I have no intention of playing "Sound of Music" again, I think it's silly to rank it as one of the worst musicals. It's a long and not particularly challenging blow, to be sure, but it also has a number of well-known (and even well-loved) tunes. The only musical I've played that I completely despised was "The Student Prince".
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2003-03-27 16:59
Good choices. Oklahoma has 105pp clarinet part with no tacets.
More unfavorites:
Fiorello (unless the director casts it as a comedy)
My Fair Lady (overdone, and Liza throws the slippers into the pit)
Pajama Game (can you play like a sewing machine?)
Ruddigore (G&S - if you can double-tongue like mad, move it to favorites)
More favorites:
Man of La Mancha
Pirates of Penzance
HMS Pinafore
Some I Dunno's:
Fiddler (fabulous but depressing - I have avoided playing in 6 productions)
Most Happy Fella (haven't played it)
Promises, Promises
Annie Get Your Gun (haven't played it)
Regards
(retired from community theater)
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-03-27 18:07
After a while I only seem to remember the better shows, and I block out the poorer ones.
A few of the more unusual ones which I recently played and enjoyed:
Rags (great clarinet part!)
Nunsense
Wonderful Town
If I never again play "Bye Bye Birdie", it will still be too soon....GBK
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-03-27 18:48
Hey Ralph,
I liked Pajama Game! The woodwind one book was pretty nice but there were some quick changes. I had to pass recently on Damn Yankees. Has anyone payed that? I really like the soundtrack (and to date myself, I saw it on Broadway in 1956 with Ray Walston and Gwen Verdon).
HRL
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Author: Liesel
Date: 2003-03-27 18:58
Worst musical ever? I was so sick of Grease by the end of the show's run!!
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2003-03-27 19:40
I have a soft spot in my heart for Pajama Game. It was my first show ever in high school. The prudish principal cut the hell out of it of course. "50 cents and all the beer you can guzzle" became "50 cents and all the ham you can eat" and the poster (a girl in a teddy) had to be scrapped at the last minute for one with a pajama top and a bottom. But a bunch of young clarinetists getting to play sax for the first time -- oh boy.
I also love Ruddigore, my first college G&S show. There's a terrific little hornpipe solo (nasty as written on the A clarinet, but a piece of cake on the Bb) and plenty of exposed (though not necessary solo) passages. I could play G&S all my life.
I was also roped in for a college production of Of Thee I Sing -- a great show, even today, but even with microphoning of the singers, we had to cut out most of the sax licks (and all of the bari).
As for bad shows, my then sister-in-law was a dancer in a real turkey called Ari (based on the novel Exodus) that ran for about 6 weeks and should have closed on the road, and I also saw a preview of Seesaw (a musical based on Two for the Seesaw), which should have closed at the backers' party.
Ah, for the live theater.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Mitch K.
Date: 2003-03-27 19:43
I seem to always miss playing the good musicals like "Into the Woods" (I've missed that one twice).
Hope to never play again:
Hello, Dolly!
Devil & Daniel Webster
Once Upon a Mattress (really fun and funny show, but the clarinet book sort of sucked)
Ones I'd do again:
Oklahoma
A Little Night Music
Suor Angelica (I know this one is opera, but it's quite good)
Mitch King
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Author: williamainsworth
Date: 2003-03-27 20:02
I read this thread and I guess I have a peculiar sense of humour because I found it very amusing to read of people judging a musical mostly on the quality of the clarinet parts. I also admit great envy for you who play well enough to play in the pit. From my layman point of view my least favourite was the movie version of "Jesus Christ, Superstar" and my favourite [although I have loved all the others that I have seen] is "Crazy for You". There is no doubt though, that the musicians make an enormous contribution to the enjoyment of the show but that it must be rather boring if you don't like the part in the score and have to play it over and over again.
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Author: Wes
Date: 2003-03-27 20:26
Musicals have less and less interest for me as I get older. Operas are great to listen to but challenging to play. Chamber music, symphony or band playing is more interesting to me.
Tiresome:
Bye Bye Birdie
Good:
A Little Night Music
???:
Rags, performed with two days notice and no rehearsal
Scrooge
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Author: Ted
Date: 2003-03-27 20:53
Faves -
West Side Story
Somewhere On this Island
Joseph (tacky but fun)
Patience (G&S)
Un-Faves -
Hello Dolly
Bye Bye Birdie
Somewhere in Between-
Pipin
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2003-03-27 20:53
All the Broadway musicals I have premiered or revived have been great musical experiences for me. This is true because of the fabulously talented musicians I have had the privilege of working with here in NYC for the past 25+ years.
Musical Theatre / Broadway / Original Cast Recordings:
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (Leonard Bernstein)
Big (David Shire)
Candide (Leonard Bernstein)
Crazy For You * (George Gershwin)
Grind (Larry Grossman)
Into The Woods (Stephen Sondheim)
Jane Eyre (Paul Gordon)
Jerome Robbins' Broadway * (various composers)
Marie Christine (Michael John LaChiusa)
Merrily We Roll Along (Stephen Sondheim)
Mikado (Gilbert and Sullivan)
Nine * (Maury Yeston)
Oh, Kay! (George Gershwin)
Oklahoma! (Rodgers and Hammerstein)
Porgy And Bess (George Gershwin)
Smile (Marvin Hamlisch)
Sweeney Todd * (Stephen Sondheim)
The Rink (John Kander and Fred Ebb)
Threepenny Opera (Kurt Weill)
Titanic * (Maury Yeston), and others.
* Tony Award winners for Best Show of the Year
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: David Stringer
Date: 2003-03-27 21:29
Some years ago, I found myself being the only available piano player for a small production of Annie (the hired player had quit, or been fired, I can't remember which).
Since I had them over a barrel, I made the show much more enjoyable by cutting "Tomorrow". One of my finest editing jobs.
David
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2003-03-28 00:21
Worst- well I dont really have any un-favs when it comes to musicals...
On the other hand
I will definetly have to agree with Tom Piercy in that Cabaret is an awesome show to perform......
And to Ken Shaw- I feel bad that your principal ruined the show like that. In Cabaret the only thing we had to change was the whole girl stage band thing. Since it was supposed to be girls pretending to play instruments on stage, and the real "haugh-kes-dra" ( as pronounced by the german MC since it takes place in berlin) was supposed to be out of sight, just supplying the actual music, we cut it since we werent really able to do this, and there was only 1 girl in the band ( flautist). Other than that, the play was basically the same, skimpy lingerie, sexual movements and connotations were all there.
Bradley
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2003-03-28 02:43
Least favorites:
Oklahoma (so hokey!)
The Sound of Music (same, also cloying)
The King and I (very prejudiced, boring)
OK. So I don't like Rogers and Hammerstein very much.
Favorites:
Once on this Island (incredible dramatic impact)
The Producers (funniest show EVER)
Guys and Dolls
West Side Story
Sweeney Todd
Play the Shriner's Ballet, then get out:
Bye Bye Birdie ("We love you Con-rad, oh yes we do-o!")
I just finished playing Guys and Dolls last weekend and I've also played Island and Birdie. Once on the Island, in my opinion, is one of the most underrated shows. The clarinet part isn't too great (there's only one reed book, which I shared with a flutist) but it's practically a one act opera musically.
Micaela
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Author: Terry Horlick
Date: 2003-03-28 03:49
My favorite to do is "1940's Radio Hour". It is rarely done but is fun for the woodwind guy. It is a story of a radio broadcast where the orchestra is the on-stage band (like in "Chicago"). There are some well known 40's tunes and (at least when I did it) the lead Alto part doubled on clarinet and flute, it was a kick. You get to dress in 40's costume, say a line or two and direct the on-stage band. That director part gets assigned to whoever they want, but I got it since I usually direct our Big Band anyway.
The cast and audience always loves this show and the score is sketchy enough that you can do some fun ad lib solos.
Terry
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Author: donald
Date: 2003-03-28 08:09
i'm going over the Alto sax/flute/clarinet part of FAME with a student who'se doing it at her school, i'm quite glad that i don't have to play it and that i have a really good excuse not to go.
donald
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-03-28 10:47
Thanks for all the input, having done over about 200 productions in the last 20 years or so I can honestly say that Grease is about the worst. I have played alot but this one is yuuuucckkk!!
David Dow
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Author: allencole
Date: 2003-03-28 11:32
Worst:
Hello Dolly
That's the only one I can complain about. I have enjoyed most musicals that I've played, and have been fortunate enough not to be called for most that I would dread. I imagine that Grease, Little Shop of Horrors, and The Music Man would be particularly grating. But I might think the same listening to Beehive or Mame, which I actually enjoyed.
Best:
Gypsy
Five Guys Named Moe
Blackbirds of Broadway (an obscure off-Broadway revue, from the creator of Three Mo' Tenors)
Allen Cole
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Author: Katfish
Date: 2003-03-28 13:10
Best Musicals;
Hsm Pinafore
Mame
Big River
Worst Musicals
Two by Two
Annie Get Your Gun (both sexist and racist)
Company
Lil Abner
Oliver
John Kahrl
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Author: William
Date: 2003-03-28 14:29
My favorite musicals are the ones where I get paid for doubling!!!!!
(Although I will always be willing to do "West Side Story", "Guys and Dolls" or "Kiss Me, Kate" because I like them!!)
NEVER AGAIN (unless for Big Bucks) "Annie"
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Author: Heidi
Date: 2003-03-28 15:29
Hi! As a budding theater doubler myself, I would definately agree with some of you on these. I have generally liked the musicals I've done and learned alot through them....but Annie did get quite old after a while.
Ones I loved doing:
1940's Radio Hour (my first real jazz part on saxophone..very exciting.:))
Guys and Dolls
Jekyll and Hyde (very challenging)
I hope to get into all these other great musicals. I absolutely love doing them..and the pay isn't bad either!:)
Heidi
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Author: Eileen
Date: 2003-03-28 16:37
"Annie" seems to be making a lot of lists for worst musicals. I think John Waters got it right in "Serial Mom" in the scene where the obnoxious woman who rented the videotape for Annie gets clubbed to death by a turkey leg as she's singing along to "Tomorrow." I highly recommend this sick but hilarious scene for everyone who hates that musical.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2003-03-28 19:18
recently saw a revival of "House of Flowers" - you'd think with music by Harold Arlen and book by Truman Capote that it would be good. Needless to say it was awful, although the large orchestra (on stage throughout) had a lot of energy.
"Kiss Me Kate" is the high point of broadway musical theater for me
"Producers" the most over-rated in this age of hype
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Author: Music Geek3
Date: 2003-03-28 20:43
I'm new at pit band playing. Hopefully, I will be playing the band for the musical Footloose. I've heard that the musical its self is terrible but nothing about the band. Has anyone ever played in a Footloose pit band who can clue me in?
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-03-28 21:08
What interesting commentary!, it pretty much describes my years of experience! Grease, Birdie and a couple more "unknowns" not good here! While well known and "predictable" , I enjoyed OKLA! [nachurlie] and Annie GYG [on stage small group] and Sound of M, and other R&Hs for their music/songs. Guess that Music Man and Wizard of OZ, plus G & Dolls and even Camelot [pathos] also Carousel rank among my favorites. On Brigadoon [ on oboe etc,] the bagpipe duet was a real challenge! FUN, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2003-03-28 22:43
After performing in 159 productions I am amazed at how many shows I have not played in, and indeed never heard or.
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Author: Webby
Date: 2003-03-29 02:48
I have to say that Carousel was hands down my least favorite, either as a player or an audience member. I seem to recall the actual music being decent, but alas, it was completely corrupted by the plot. We did it in high school, and I remember the first time we got through the dialogue, and we first heard the line about "Someone can hit you, hit you hard, and it doesn't hurt at all." And this was at a school with a group that performs a play on domestic & sexual violence around the state...
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Author: clarinetmama
Date: 2003-03-29 04:20
As the veteran of 50 different shows I must say one I really enjoyed which isn't often done is "Purlie"
The R and H have really boring parts. I don't ever need to play Edelweiss ever again. I really do believe the Rodgers and Hart to be far superior and sophisticated.
Jubilation T. Cornpone, found in Lil Abner is vamped over and over and over and is the scene change music waaaay too often
Gypsy is perhaps my favorite. The strip stuff. Although being in the pit you have no idea that she isn't really taking much off. But the music sure sounds like it.
West Side Story is good, but if I have to listen to Maria's little speech at the end again, honest to God I am jumping out of the pit and shooting her myself. I had the chance to tour that with The Young Americans in 1977...thank goodness that fell through....I am sure I would have needed anti-depressents by the middle of the run, which was nearly a year of one-nighters all over the US
Music Man has some fun parts...Shipoopi is fun...and if you have a group that does the entire dances and doesn't cut them short some of the music is very challenging. And who doesn't enjoy being the bass clarinetist on Marian the Librarian?
I'd love to play Chicago. And although one of you thought The Producers was overrated I'd love, love, love to play that show.
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Author: Mark P
Date: 2003-03-29 21:24
I haven't seen anyone mention Ain't Misbehaving, I did that one for 6 months at a dinner theater and always enjoyed playing, I had the clarinet/tenor sax book.
Worst show I did was Midsummer's Night with the Mendlesohn incidental music, we had a good orchestra but the cast wasn't up to the play and we closed after opening night.
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Author: wyatt
Date: 2003-03-29 23:47
under the best I'm amazed that no one listed
EVITA.
bob gardner}ÜJ
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Author: Heidi
Date: 2003-03-30 00:06
Wow...it's amazing to see the numbers some of you are putting in....in one case, 159 shows! That's just amazing. I hope I can do that through my lifetime. I've got 6 under my belt and will hopefully continue!
*hats off to you all*![[whoa]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie10.gif)
Heidi
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2003-03-30 14:56
For clarinetmama,
I did Purlie once - two rehearsals as a sub. The orchestra was 25 feet in the air on a scaffolding that rocked. Couldn't see or hear the cast, but the Conductor, bass, and drums had headphones. In the dark, couldn't read between numbers, mikes on, couldn't talk. Music was good though.
For Hank Lehrer,
PJ Game probably wasn't a bad show, but all I can remember of the community theater production I did was interminable set changes, and that darned "Sewing Machine Music" going on and on. Then, the bari sax player started playing whole tones, and the entire orchestra was just about in tears laughing.
For all,
This has been a really enjoyable thread!
Regards
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2003-03-30 15:56
I had to play some long scene changes in Guys and Dolls also. After the first few rehearsals, I never wanted to hear Follow the Fold again. When the changes got too long, the jazz guys in the pit would start jamming. There isn't any exit music, so we added a jazz version of When the Saints Come Marching In.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-03-30 16:27
Hi Ralph,
Leave it to the bari sax to start things off (it is usally the trombones that are loosely wrapped in concert bands).
Yeah, I forgot the Sewing Machine Music. The company (at Goodyear Theatre in Akron) was very good so things really moved along.
HRL
Post Edited (2003-03-30 18:50)
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Author: Shakiki
Date: 2003-03-30 18:47
Ok, I haven't been included in many musicals, but, here are the ones my school has done (that I have been included in, of course):
Annie
All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten
Little Shop of Horrors
I thought all of these plays were good/fun in their own ways. In the play, Annie, I played bass clarinet in the pit and the others that were in the pit were a fun bunch of people to play with.
On the other hand, in All I Really Need to Know I Learned In Kindergarten, there was a guitar part, flute part, piano part, alto sax part and a Bb clarinet part only in the whole score (I switched off between alto clarinet (I didn't know how to play the alto sax at the time, and Bb bass clarinet-- instead of Bb standard/soprano, and I doubled on flute with the other flute lady). What made that play interesting was that the lady that was BEING PAID to play flute sucked really REALLY bad and couldn't play any of the music, had no tuning skills and just sucked overall!! What made that situation even worse was that she had a $5,000 Muramatsu flute (look it up if you're never heard of it) and she shouldn't have had it if she sucked so much at it (she said she bought it for herself as a gift). So, the most interesting part with that play was that, for the in-school performance of it, guess who showed up for the pit...? Just me, and the keyboard guy!! So, instead of getting a chance to warm up the instruments for the parts I had to play, I had to play one instrument, than put it down, hurry up and get the next instrument, blow air into it, than play, and keep switching!! That was the most fun I had, and the biggest adrenaline rush, too, I might add, lol.
This past November was when my school did Little Shop [of Horrors] and I doubled on the flute part with my friend, Jessie. The parts in that were Drums, Keyboard (2 of them), 2 guitars, and my friend and I doubled on the vocal parts. That was fun since the guitar players were funny and we'd talk to them when we were resting, and we'd sing along to the vocal parts that were written in the music that we were reading off of.
Since I have had fun in these plays, I wouldn't say that they were bad at all!!
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2003-03-31 12:38
Trials and tribulations of pit orchestras:
In one Funny Girl production, the pit was very deep and there were large mirrors on the house side of the pit so the musicians could see the stage. In the middle of a dress rehearsal, one of these came off its mountings and hit the floor in the middle of the cello section. Nobody was hurt.
In Promises Promises there is a short scene with a man and a women in bed. The man is moaning about how he can't believe what he has just done, and the woman says "Same time next week, Mr. Jones?" Big guffaw, then a quick lights out for a scene change. One night, the lights didn't quite make it out quick enough, and when the actress jumped out of the bed, one side of the orchestra (not my side) determined that the she had left off certain undergarments. Big gasp. Don't know what the audience saw.
There was a Fiorello that had these rolling three-sided towers in the set, different sides for different scenes. The first night they went to turn one of these things, one of the casters got caught up on something, and they almost dropped it into the pit. The entire brass section instinctively stopped playing and put their hands over their heads.
In an Annie Get Your Gun there was a dancer cast as an native american, dressed only in a loin cloth and a half gallon of body makeup. He was very handsome and very muscular, and none of the women could keep their eyes off him. At one point in the show, he had a dance number that had him twirling around all over the stage. One night, he was right at the edge of the stage and lost his balance. The pit was fairly shallow, and he was very athletic. When he realized he was going to fall, he jumped as far as he could, hit the inside of the pit rail and bounced into the wind section. Knocked over a few stands, but nobody was hurt and nothing was broken. He jumped right back up on stage, but for obvious reasons the music had stopped. The conductor, on the other hand, was completely flustered, until one of the brass players shouted "Bar 231" which snapped her out of it. "Bar 231" she repeated hazily, but she gave a downbeat, and they ended the number to roaring applause.
Regards
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2003-03-31 12:56
After reading Ralph Katz's anecdotes, I am reminded of dozens of other mishaps here on Broadway.
Just imagine what would have happened in there was only a "Virtual Orchestra" in the pit at any of those moments? No music, no show!
Live musicians CAN react to any emergency on stage or off, machine can't and wont.
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-03-31 21:32
John J. Moses - excellent point, as always. I use an iBook-USB-synthesizer during rehearsal stage of musicals (training the chorus and soloists) but it gets left at home one production rehearsal starts. Also, if there's a power failure - I hop onto the piano (and play it, not to erotic dancing on it).
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Author: DezzaG
Date: 2003-09-19 00:34
I am doing the 3rd reed part in Annie at the moment, and let me just say how boring this musical is. The music is average and the story thin, defianately has my worst musical vote. Any reccomendations on what do in the pit to liven things up? Glad this show is only for 3-4 weeks.
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-09-19 03:39
having conducted a season of Les Mis ... never again.
Wonderful music (if you like that meandering-minimalist-quasi-atonal-blancmange) ... absolutely NO rest for the M.D.
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Author: DezzaG
Date: 2003-09-19 04:44
I loved doing Les Mis, just a pity there is no rest, the clarinet/sax double is fun!
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-09-19 06:33
DezzaG ... actually, whilst I thought the orchestration for Les Mis was interesting ... (especially if you can find two extremely clapped-out synthesizers ... we improvised for obvious reasons) I thought his wind writting (or whomever did the orchestrations) was a little bland. Not enought use of the saxophone, either, for my liking.
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2003-09-19 08:04
Sandy Wilson, The Boyfriend. Too much charlston makes a clarinet player go mad...
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2003-09-19 12:42
Annie is also a show that does not work socially for the cast, because there there are almost no age peers in the show.
If you find the Sound of Music boring, and you are an amateurn guitarist, then offer to fill in the guitar part for Edelweis. By opening night I had a blister on the end of every left finger. Ouch!
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Author: DezzaG
Date: 2003-09-19 12:51
Actually, isnt Les Mis written for DX7 Yamaha synths/ They were easy to find down here in Hobart!! I think some of the wind moments in Les Mis are very "special" esp some beautiful Cor Anglais solos!
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Author: William
Date: 2003-09-19 14:43
Just think'n about, "Tomorrow", I still break out in a sweat--and it's been months since I played "Annie". For the bows, we played it over, and over, and over...................(ad nausem). Yikes
Just finished soing "JC, Superstar", and am still "buzzed". Good show--and playing a bit of dixie clarinet (for which I received special rcognition) during Herrod's song was sooo fun. (BTW--I used a Legere reed (Kaspar mpc) for the first time during the last weekends shows, and it worked just as good, in the pit, as my best V12's. Nobody noticed any change in quality and the best part, it didn't dry out between tunes nor change front overture to finale)
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2003-09-19 16:03
I think the copyright people stopped the original title, "Annie Get Your Dog."
Tennesse Williams was originally involved in a show he wanted to call "Fiddler On A Hot Tin Sthtel."
(Not really.)
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