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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-03-09 16:40
Hope I'll be excused if this has already been discussed. The opening measures of Inchon for 3rd clar. contains a 5 measure C#4-D4 trill, not too difficult and relatively straightforward. Except the alternate fingering involves trilling with the third finger only while holding the C#4 key down which I don't have the dexterity to do.
Recently I saw an accomplished sax player perform a trill that was probably similar by coming across with his right hand and actuating the third finger as if it were a spring. I've tried this on the alternate fingering of the subject trill and it "works". I don't recall ever seeing a clarinet player use such a technique on any trill. Would such a technique be considered a "nono"?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-03-09 16:47
BobD wrote:
> Would such a technique be considered
> a "nono"?
The only "nono" would be a technique that:
1) doesn't work or
2) works but interferes with something later or
3) is totally out of place in context with the music being performed.
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Author: ken
Date: 2003-03-09 16:53
Unless you've got a clicky C-sharp key what's wrong with playing the trill using the standard fingerings ... and not get cute?
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-03-09 17:01
Ken: No problem, no clicky key. As I mentioned, the sax player I saw use a technique like this is a college music professor and Yamaha associate and evidently he considered it professional calibre. I don't know if his trill was the same one but it was similar.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-03-09 17:07
The "standard" C#4-D4 trill fingering is a basic fingering skill that all beginning texts emphasize, and one that should be learned until smoothness and rapidity are mastered.
The only "nono" with your idea of using a right hand finger to trill is that with the C# key remaining open, the D4 will be sharp.
Like Ken says, I would use the regular fingerings for both notes...GBK
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-03-09 17:10
GBK: the right hand finger or fingers merely actuate the semi-rigid third finger left hand.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-03-09 17:19
Perhaps I didn't understand your original question -
I interpreted it to mean that one of your RH fingers is coming across to trill the hole for C4 (while your LH pinky still keeps the C#4 key open)
In that case the D4 would be sharp...GBK
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Author: Dee
Date: 2003-03-09 17:21
Perhaps you need a little more "arch" in your fingers to accomplish the trill? Many people have their fingers too flat and don't realize it until they get into something like this.
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Author: ken
Date: 2003-03-09 18:11
BobD wrote: As I mentioned, the sax player I saw use a technique like this is a college music professor and Yamaha associate and evidently he considered it professional calibre. I don't know if his trill was the same one but it was similar."
--I'm sure this guy is a fine player and teacher, but if he's a college professor (and doubler I assume) he certainly skilled enough to negotiate a standard C-sharp/D-flat to D-natural chalumeau trill up to 240 if needed and bag the contortionist routine. Of course, his technique and application is entirely his own affair but I suspect he just might have been feeling a little sporty that day. I myself don't support cross handing for any reason. With the exception of very few invariable notes and combinations the horn is extremely flexible and offers multiple and functional alternate fingerings to accomplish the desired goal. I would say as far as my students go, if one of them pulled a stunt like that I'd ring their neck ![[mad]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie9.gif) . Have fun! v/r Ken
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Author: bassclarinetchicka88
Date: 2003-03-09 23:29
i dont see a problem with it... if it speaks and youre happy with it then its not "wrong.." youre adding a bit more style to it so just have fun . i wouldnt worry about it too much
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-03-10 04:56
Frankly, I find it easier to move L3 and L4 together than just L3 alone, even if L3 is being banged by R1. YMMV. And GBK is certainly right: playing D with the C# key down results in a note with just plain bad intonation and should be avoided.
What a wonderful assortment of opinions and suggestions we have here!
And if anyone cares for my general opinion, on some occasions (although to me the instant situation is not one of them), crosshanding may be the best and most practical way to do certain things on the stick of our choice. Not cute nor grounds for strangulation, just sometimes the best of a bad lot of possibilities.
Regards,
John
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-03-10 14:04
Thanks John. Especially liked your general comments. I have no problem with the traditional method either.
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