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Author: johnny
Date: 2003-03-09 14:24
It seems recently that jazz was able to make its way into the world of popular music. This trend is Obviously seen though the grammys and such but classical music is still isolated. At what point do you think classical music will strike back and possibly fuse with the music of today? What will it take for classical music to regain the glory it once had? I would appreciate any thoughts on this topic.
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Author: Sarah
Date: 2003-03-09 14:57
Well...I heard an interesting rap/hiphop type song that had Fur Elise mixed in with it. I didn't care for it, but atleast someone is trying.
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Author: bassclarinetchicka88
Date: 2003-03-09 15:17
yah that would be cool - but jazz deserves the spotlight!! haha so i am happy more ppl are appreciating it - even if it has to be mixed in with all this pop crap to get it there.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-03-09 17:08
Interesting comments and query,Johnny and difficult to respond to adequately. By "classical" I assume you mean to include Baroque and Romantic period music too? Personally I'm of the opinion that some of the current non-pop, non-rock, non-rap music can stand on its own.
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Author: Sarah
Date: 2003-03-09 18:19
There are also bands such as Bond who take classical music and play it with drum tracks and use electric instruments. Vanessa Mae is kind of doing the same thing. Although not "real" classical music it is "more classical" than other popular music.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-03-09 18:42
It seems to me that a lot of TV commercials make use of "pinches" of well-known classics, and some jazz "licks". I think of it as "musical harikari" [sp?]. What is this funny world coming [or going] to ?? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: chuck
Date: 2003-03-09 19:00
A hip-hop version of "Che Gelida Manina" and Madonna doing Mimi. God save us. Chuck
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-03-09 19:02
"A Fifth of Beethoven" and "Hooked on Classics" didn't do the cause much good.
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Author: Bob A
Date: 2003-03-09 23:17
Are y'all too young to remember the classical excerpts introduced into the "pop" music scene of the 1940's? Maybe again! Better than 4-chords and NOISE.
Bob A
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2003-03-09 23:21
For those of us old enough to remember The Smurfs (and not too old not to have watched them), almost all the music was classically derived.
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Author: johnny
Date: 2003-03-10 00:24
allow me to refrase my question, i am not realy iterested in the mixing of the music genres, even though i had mentioned fusion. i am wondering, will classical music will ever be apperciated as much as it was 150 or so years back? So many legendary composers lived during this time because of the great "new" music that was used as inspiration for thier bold compositions. What will it take for people to look beyond the fact that what is concitered antique or simply old is not always something to be passed by. I believe that if classical music florished as it once had there would be an abundance of inspiration for current composers.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-03-10 01:22
johnny wrote:
> What will it take for people to look beyond the
> fact that what is concitered antique or simply old is not
> always something to be passed by. I believe that if classical
> music florished as it once had there would be an abundance of
> inspiration for current composers.
If classical music as you defined it (music of 150 years ago) fourished today then I'd have to say ... music is dead.
Music evolves, gets richer, gets poorer, but it moves, it breaths, it lives. The expirmental and adventurous music of today will be the "classical" of tomorrow.
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2003-03-10 04:36
We tend to forget that "classical" music WAS the popular music of its time.
How much of our current musical offerings will be listened to 150 years from now? Who knows?! Of course, not anything like all of the music of the past survived this long (some perhaps not even a week after its debut.)
What qualities make music timeless likely is a good topic for discussion, as would a future "playlist" of the music of the last 100 years. (Of course, our technological accomplishments will ensure an archive not possible before. Future generations will be able to hear (and see) Bernstein conduct and play his compositions, none of us have ever heard Beethoven or Bach perform their music!)
The use of "classical" music on TV and even in the movies I suspect is mostly a result of its being in the public domain, and not generating royalities to be paid.
I did like "Fifth of Beethoven" and "Hooked on Classics" (though the disco beat in the latter is a bit anoying.) While no substitute for the works as written, they did serve to bring a taste of this music to those who might not otherwise ever hear it.
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2003-03-10 07:15
I love ALL kinds of music. I'm a huge fan of Vanessa Mae!
This genre mixing can be a good thing. In fact, any creative endeavour is a good thing, whether that includes appropriation or not. Listen to Alicia Keys... Her mixing of soul, hip-hop, jazz and classical is astoundingly beautiful!
I for one can appreciate genre mixing or 'fusion'
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2003-03-10 10:35
Mark C. wrote:
"The expirmental and adventurous music of today will be the "classical" of tomorrow."
What "experimental and adventurous" composers or pieces would people expect to survive? Birtwhistle? Turnage? Salonen? Ades?
My view, for what little it's worth, would be "none of the above". I suspect the most recent classical (in the broadest sense of the word) composer to survive as a major figure, not just a historic curiosity, will be Britten (born 1913). I think the only more recent composers who will be household names in 50 years will be Dylan and the Beatles. And maybe one or two jazz musicians. And perhaps Leonard Bernstein. All the others, from Stockhausen to the S*x Pistols, will be forgotten as the people who heard them in their prime die off.
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: Suzanne
Date: 2003-03-10 21:05
People my age (20's) have such short attention spans and such a need for immediate gratification that I don't see how a real appreciation for pieces like Mahler symphonies or Bach cantatas (just for example) could have very much draw. Deep appreciation of such works, I think, takes some degree of intellectual involvement and patience, and besides, they don't make very good clubbing or drinking tunes (top priorities of my generation, unfortunately). Non-musician friends that I know only have classical CD's if they want something to fall asleep to or study with.
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