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 difficult slur
Author: Dan Oberlin 2017
Date:   2003-03-05 20:52

Last night our band read the Ron Nelson Passacaglia (Homage on BACH).
The last page of the 1st clarinet part has (many) rapid and repeated
slurs back and forth between high E and high A. I'd appreciate advice,
particularly from anyone who is familiar with the piece.

Dan



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 Re: difficult slur
Author: GBK 
Date:   2003-03-05 21:27

A5 to E6? ...GBK



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 Re: difficult slur
Author: BobD 
Date:   2003-03-05 22:01

Ron was a string bass player, not clarinet

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 Re: difficult slur
Author: Dan Oberlin 2017
Date:   2003-03-05 22:17

GBK,

The E above the staff to the A above that (is that E6 to A6 ?),
so that the "high school" fingering for the A is the same as
the usual fingering for the E.

Dan

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 Re: difficult slur
Author: Bradley 
Date:   2003-03-05 22:42

Yeah- one time I came across some staccato high E to high As and I just used the same fingering for both, making the "harmonic" A.

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 Re: difficult slur
Author: Tom Piercy 
Date:   2003-03-05 22:43

I would play the E as usual with the Right Hand Ab/Eb key down, for the A lift the RH Ab/Eb key and put down the Left Hand F#/C# key.

For me this brings out the A very easily and without a pop or sudden change in dynamic or tone quality.

To go back down to the E, reverse the above procedure.
In other words, you will only be moving your L.H. ad R. H. little fingers to get the notes to change and slur back and forth. For some clarinets using the L.H. F/C key for the A does the trick, but I find it doesn't slur back down to E as smoothly.

Tom Piercy

Tom Piercy

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 Re: difficult slur
Author: GBK 
Date:   2003-03-05 23:10

Although the standard fingering (as Tom Piercy suggested) is probably the best alternative, here is an off-beat fingering to try:

Play E as follows:

TR + A key x 2 3 / 1 2 3 + (RH) F#/C# key

Tremolo to A by fingering:

TR x 2 3 / x x x (RH) F#/C# key

thus, the fingers that move are the A key and 1 2 3 of the right hand...GBK



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 Re: difficult slur
Author: ken 
Date:   2003-03-06 00:12

Another functional alternate is:

E6 = T/R + side Ab teardrop key + 1 2 3 | x x x

(sometimes referred to as a "full high E" (as it's close in proximity to the full high F natural). Simply a clarion G natural adding the left side Ab key

slur to standard A6

A6 = T/R + x 2 3 | x x x + (right side pinkie) Ab/Eb key

There's a tad more coordination required with the on and off again pinkie but this combo (on most horns) pops out easily, in tune and resonates quite nicely. It also allows you to eliminate the harmonic jump overblowing/combining both standard fingerings. Use an even and focused airstream on this one; also, using the old rule of thumb of "thinking the pitch first" is very useful here. v/r Ken

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 Re: difficult slur
Author: jez 
Date:   2003-03-06 09:31

Ordinary E
A 1 2 3 / x x x (NO Thumb or register)

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 Re: difficult slur
Author: jez 
Date:   2003-03-06 09:32

Ordinary E
For the A
1 2 3 / x x x (NO Thumb or register)
jez



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 Re: difficult slur
Author: Dan Oberlin 2017
Date:   2003-03-06 19:06

Thanks for the suggestions. The one GBK offered seems to work best
for me. The passage is comparable in difficulty to slurring back and
forth continuously between the A and E at the tempo of 16ths at ~112.
It is not clarinet-friendly writing!

Dan

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 Re: difficult slur
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2003-03-06 19:56

I'm still trying to figure out how on Earth anyone would perform this tremolo on a double bass.

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 Re: difficult slur
Author: jez 
Date:   2003-03-06 22:24

Dan,
GBK's fingerings always work the best. Sometimes I think fingering problems should be addressed direct to him. [wink]



Post Edited (2003-03-06 23:24)

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