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Author: rbell96
Date: 2003-02-27 19:41
My copy of the nielsen just arrived. It's so scary!!!!!!!!!!
Rob
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2003-02-27 19:57
lol
Didnt Julian Bliss perform it a year ago or so for the queen?
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Author: rbell96
Date: 2003-02-28 15:01
No!!
He performed the Messager Solo de Concours. I can't imagine Julian Bliss playing the Nielsen just yet!
Rob
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Author: HAT
Date: 2003-02-28 17:00
Julian Bliss could play the Nielsen with ease. He has plenty of technique.
Perhaps he and his teachers realize that clarinet playing is not a race to see who can be the youngest to play it. . .or who can play it fastest or most cleanly?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-02-28 17:26
I still like HAT's astute observation concerning the Nielsen Concerto and its playability:
(very roughly paraphrased): "On any given day there are 25 - 35 players in NYC who can perform the Nielsen Concerto on 24 hours notice and amaze you - with many more who can work it up within a week or two - all bringing something to it"
Pretty sobering facts for new students thinking of entering the professional clarinet job market...GBK
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Author: rbell96
Date: 2003-02-28 18:49
Thanks Ken!
Thanks GBK it has made me realise how tough it will be next year when I enter music college!
Rob
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Author: HAT
Date: 2003-03-01 01:29
The point is that the Nielsen is now pretty much standard undergrad rep for those who want to spend the time learning it. It probably gets played on undergrad recitals or concerto competitions by well over 100 students every year, maybe more.
Not that all those performances are as fluent as, say, Stanley Drucker's frankly amazing recording, but they're giving it the old college try!
The most annoying thing about it is that the fast stuff doesn't fit into any standard patterns we learn in Baermann or Stark or even Jeanjean and Jettel (if one could say that Jettel HAS standard patterns, but that's another subject).
So while it presents an interesting and considerable technical challenge, a certain percentage of the things you 'learn' while studying it (speaking only of the technical aspect) won't apply to other repertoire you will play. Some of it will pretty much only help you out in the Nielsen Concerto itself and a few isolated oddities throughout the rest of the repertoire.
This is as opposed to the Weber or Spohr concertos, where everything you do technically applies to just about everything.
Let me put it this way. It will always be hard to learn the Nielsen the first time, no matter how long you wait and no matter what scales or etudes you learn in the meantime.
On the other hand, if you practice Baermann III, etc. IN ALL KEYS every day, the Spohr concertos, which are actually very very difficult will seem somewhat easier every year. Not that they are better pieces or even comparable, but they represent to me another very different example of enourmous technical obstacles.l
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Author: rbell96
Date: 2003-03-01 08:47
Thanks,
I do know it is on the works list that most people study at the music college I am going to.
I am really looking forward to getting stuck into it!
Rob
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2003-03-02 02:41
HAT says: "Perhaps he and his teachers realize that clarinet playing is not a race to see who can be the youngest to play it. . ."
Thank God. As a resident of both the clarinet and violin worlds, I'm glad the clarinets haven't caught that particular bug yet. Violin prodigies can be amazing but the "youngest ever to play Paganini (or whatever)" thing can get very out of hand.
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Author: jim S.
Date: 2003-03-04 18:12
Speed and violinists: Viz. Robt. Springer's CD of Paganini. It's inhuman.
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2003-03-04 20:19
BTW- I was just kidding when I said Julian Bliss played it- cause wow he is awesome, and he's younger than me :-(
Come on though- he got his first Eaton in 1996 - thats just scary! I never even knew exactly what a clarinet sounded like in '96 LOL
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