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 optimum vs bay?
Author: james 
Date:   2003-02-19 19:47

which ligature is better?
what do you think?

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Peter 
Date:   2003-02-19 20:22

Optimum

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: ghoter 
Date:   2003-02-19 20:28

of course bglod bay ligature is the best

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2003-02-19 20:32

Again the lig debate? For sop cl, I still prefer the inverse Bonade or Luyben. For bass cl, Mitchell Lurie [2 horizontal bands] or Rovner-type , backwards!, with the 2 verticals on the reed, ala Bonade. To each his several "owns". Don

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Bob 
Date:   2003-02-19 21:39

I have used many different ligatures in a wide price range and,frankly, haven't noticed much if any difference in playing characteristics.

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Ralph G 
Date:   2003-02-19 21:44

Which one looks neater?

As long is it doesn't strangle the reed or touch the sides, I'll be darned if I can tell a difference in sound. I have a Harrison gold, a Joue Jolie and a Rovner Dark, and I'd flunk the Pepsi Challenge on all three.

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: GBK 
Date:   2003-02-19 21:50

Don't get caught up in "ligature roulette" (almost as fatal as "mouthpiece/reed roulette").

There are at least 50 different ligatures on the market.

Just pick one and go practice...GBK

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Jack 
Date:   2003-02-19 22:45

The Bay (which one?) is better one day with a given mouthpiece, reed and clarinet; the Optimum (which of the three plates?) is better another day. I wouldn't part with either one.

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Bob A 
Date:   2003-02-19 22:47

I'd say there is a marked sound difference in certain ligatures, for example (Bass Clarinet): Peter Sprigs Floating Rail vs any one of my three different Rovner's. Of course, my "ears" are amplified--so what do I really hear?
Bob A

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: RonD 
Date:   2003-02-19 22:48

I have 5 now and I still cant tell the difference between them.
I keep comeing back to the Optimum only because its the fastest and easiest to use.
GBK is right, just get in some quality practice sessions.

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Clarence 
Date:   2003-02-20 00:08

I like the Rovner Eddie Daniels II for Bb clarinet and the stock factory lig for the Eb clarinet.

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Rob Saxo 
Date:   2003-02-20 00:21

I currently use a francois louis ligature (silver). I used to use a Bonade, but when I tried the francois louis, my sound opened up immensely. The only problem is that it is very hard to quickly change reeds with this ligature, so the optimum is probably your best bet for pit work.

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Benni 
Date:   2003-02-20 00:42

It seems to me that in the world of ligs, you basically have your regular and your inverted (I include string/homemade ligs in this category, as the concept is pretty much the same), and they're either rigid or soft. From my experience, anything that basically falls in the same category (as outlined above) is basically going to act the same. I guess there are nuances, but I've never really worried about them . . .

Eh, just my $0.02 :-)

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Ed 
Date:   2003-02-20 03:26

I recently have also been using the Francois Louis with great success. Also search the archives for previous discussions. It works great.

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Tom 
Date:   2003-02-20 04:20

does it matter? i mean, i'm using the ligature that came along w/ my R-13 clarinet and i think i'm fine

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: William 
Date:   2003-02-20 15:52

I play on both a gold Charles Bay (for jazz) and a sliver VD Optimum (with the parallel rail for orchestra)--and (bottom line) they both play the same and could be used on either gig without any change in my sound. The only lig I own that makes any difference at all in the sound is my Winslow--which I do not like on soprano clarinets, but use on all of my saxophones (sop, alto and tenor).

The other ligs that I have tried and do not like are the Rovners, which tend to dampen the sound.

John Bruce-Yeh (Grammy winner Chicago Symphony Associate Principal Clarinetist Extrodianire) only recommends using a good "metal" ligature. I think his is a Bonade inverted, but his suggestion is was that "any metal" lig would do.

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Morrigan 
Date:   2003-02-21 05:59

The one that works or is the best one, is the one which is best TO YOU, YOURSELF. No-one can tell you which is 'better', you're the judge of that.

_______________________
Mr. Optimistic Primadonna

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: klarinet 
Date:   2003-02-21 16:42

I used to like Eddie Daniels by Rovner in College.
Now using Optimum Silver by Vandoren professionally.

Horns: R13 Bb A (leather pads on Bb/Cork on top Bb&A)
Mthpc: Vandoren B45 / Mitchell Lurie Crystal
Reed: V12 3 1/2
Lig: Vandoren Optimum Silver (no plate)

Ligature L'Histoire
Elem.School - whatever came with my platic yamaha.
Middle School - same above, Buffet Regular.
High School - Luyben, D.Bonade(Inverted), Rovner Lite.
College - RovnerLite, D.Bonade(Reg/Inverted), BG, Eddie Daniels.
Professional - Vandoren Optimum Silver

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 RE: optimum vs bay?
Author: Mark P. Jasuta 
Date:   2003-02-23 00:41

The Vandoren Optimum seems to be 3 ligatures in one;
The plate with the vertical bars = Bonade
The plate with the 2 horizontal bars = Hite
The plate with 4 points = Harrison
Mark

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