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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-02-03 18:54
The lower tenon cork on my R13 Prestige upper joint has split. My local shop says it'll take at least a week to fix. I have a concert coming up and can't spare the downtime. Can anyone recommend an adhesive to patch it back together in the meantime? I just have to make the severed ends stay together.
Sorry if it's been discussed before -- I did a quick search and couldn't specifically find this addressed.r
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-02-03 19:25
Always keep a roll of teflon tape in your case - very cheap insurance for just the problem you encountered...GBK
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Author: ron b
Date: 2003-02-03 19:48
Your lower tenon cork is coming undone and you don't have the materials to re-cork it yourself and your friendly neighborhood repairer is booked solid for at least a week. So, what's new???
Ralph, kidding aside, you've come to the right place.
Welcome to the "Society of Do-It-Yourself QuickFixers")
The quickest method I know about is to wrap some sewing thread around the cork. That's about as easy as it gets and you can leave the ends loose if you're not good at tying small knots. A little cork grease will hold the thread in place to get you through a few days if you're careful. Try to keep as much of the cork pieces in place as you can manage while wrapping the thread as evenly as you can.
Another trick that works quite well is plumbers teflon tape. If you have some handy or can get to a hardware store to get a small roll, just wrap it around a time or two while keeping it as 'flat' as you can. Overlapping and pulling on it, just a little bit, will help keep it in place. I wouldn't use any cork grease on the tape as it's already pretty slick.
Some folks choose to wrap ordinary paper around it. It's quick and readily available. Newspaper or copier paper will work. Tear a strip about as wide as you need to cover the cork, wet it in your mouth and wrap the tenon cork.
Let's see what other trick we can find up our sleeves. Well, here's one that should be outlawed. It's about the least effective -- cellophane tape.
More time consuming and maybe not effective in your situation would be to attempt to glue the loose cork with contact cement. That would be my least desireable recommendation for you at this point, in my 'long-distance' opinion. It's messy and may not work at all if grease has gotten into the break.
Hope you find something you can use until you can have a heart to heart get-together with your repairer.
Happy Tootin'
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-02-03 20:01
Another temporary fix is to use waxed dental floss...GBK
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-02-03 21:28
Yes, the best advice for methods of quick repair is already given. I often re-glue the cork with Micro Pad and Cork Cement, takes several hours to dry, then use cork grease to get a good seal. News-print paper is the quickest! Don
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Author: Wes
Date: 2003-02-03 23:09
A new cork can usually be put on by a good repairman in 10 minutes. Good luck with the tapes, even masking tape can be used in an emergency.
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Author: Hank
Date: 2003-02-03 23:14
But wait a minute, I've been telling my wife that I need the extra clarinets for just such an event!!!!
H
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Author: jbutler
Date: 2003-02-03 23:24
A week for a tenon cork? I usually do those "on the spot" and get them the heck out of the shop........geees! I know "first come, first served" is the usual practice, but why have someone wait a week for a tenon cork. Sometimes if I'm in a bind to get something out right away I'll tell them to leave it during their lunch or drop it off and go shop for an hour or so.
jbutler
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-02-03 23:31
jbutler,
Too bad you're in Sugar Land and I'm in Corpus Christi. I've heard good things about your shop. Yeah, I thought it would take a day at most.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2003-02-04 00:26
Hi, John
I've found that the shop that'll take a week to get around to a ten-minute job will just keep doing it, no matter what anyone says about it. That's why I saved my last little jab for my last little paragraph.
There are a couple of 'fixers' around here that are the same way. They create problems, like making customers wait a week for a ten minute job, to create the illusion that the demand for their services is at a high premium - I suppose. These are the same 'techs' who are always invited, but never show up, for get-togethers and will neither give nor accept advice from other techs about improving their craft or their public relations. I don't understand it any better than their disappointed customers do and my only advice is go somewhere else, where you can talk to an adult.
- ron b -
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Author: jim lande
Date: 2003-02-04 01:43
:>A week for a tenon cork? I usually do those "on the spot" and get them the heck out of the
:>shop........geees!
My vote is the teflon plumbers tape. because each layer is very thin. I have used it when the cork was a little too thin and it works great. However, teflon tape is not very strong. By first putting cork grease on the cork, then the tape and then more grease for the second layer, i end up with something that stays in place. Without the grease, the stuff does not stick very well.
If you use thread, use the finest thread you can find. (Glide type dental floss likely is stringer and flatter.) You may need the strength if the cork is lifting off.
Why does it take a week? Maybe your regular tech is shipping the horns off to someone else.
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-02-04 02:48
I've been told it takes a week because they give priority to horns bought at the shop. They're the local authorized band instrument dealer with their fingers deep in all the school districts, sell everything at list price, etc. etc. It's only because of my time hanging out here that I've learned the difference between a good deal and an old-fashioned bend-over-n-take-it. So I only go there for little things and get my major stuff elsewhere.
Many thanks for all the advice. Will stop at the plumbing supply store and get some tape.
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Author: jenna
Date: 2003-02-04 03:06
Sometimes teflon tape, in my experience, makes the tenon too large for the joint. I've always been partial to the dental floss solution. Just hold the cork on tight and wind it on evenly over the full length (width?) of the cork. Then a bit of cork grease will stick the edges to the cork.
Dental floss got me through marching band. =)
jenna
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2003-02-04 03:47
I've never used teflon tape on a clarinet, but on pipe it needs to be wraped under some tension to stick to itself, this also makes each layer thinner. Control the overall build by the number of "wraps" you make - for an average plumbing connection, I wrap it with 5 layers (in one go, use a long enough piece of tape.) Be aware that it comes in various thicknesses, the yellow tape for gas pipes is the thickest, some of the cheap stuff is really thin.
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Author: steve r.
Date: 2003-02-04 11:58
Thin sheets of sealed-cell foam (often used to pack computer or camera equipment) is a great addition to the clarinet case. It comes in a variety of thicknesses. A strip wrapped around the tenon and anchored w/ teflon plumbers tape actually may last for more than one assembly-disassembly of your horn.
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Author: Bob
Date: 2003-02-04 13:58
Just remember, if you use plumbers teflon tape, when you put your horn sections together to twist the sections together in the same direction that you wrapped the tape. If you twist together the wrong way you will tend to unwind or loosen the tape.
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Author: Michael
Date: 2003-02-06 13:52
Weiner Music sells synthetic tenon cork. Pre-cut, self-adhesive: http://www.weinermusic.com/angelica/Frame1.html (click on "Clarinet Joint Cork"). Takes about 5 minutes to install.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2003-02-07 03:42
I have yet to see a self-adhesive, synthetic cork used on instruments that stays put. It 'creeps'. Perhaps it is OK for a temporoary fix. Teflon tape would almost certainly produce a better and longer lasting result.
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