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Author: elmo lewis
Date: 2003-01-25 20:17
¿Should the guitar part in Stravinsky's Ebony Concerto be played by an acoustic or an electric guitar¿
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Author: Peter
Date: 2003-01-25 21:34
Electric guitar??? Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-01-26 00:05
Peter wrote:
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> Electric guitar???
> Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!
Bias?
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2003-01-26 04:26
Hi Elmo:
It's really up to you on the electric/acoustic guitar thing.
But, I performed the Ebony Concerto with the Danish Ballet at Lincoln Center in NYC many years ago, and they insisted on an acoustic guitar. It sounded real good, and the guitar player said he enjoyed playing it acoustic, since we were playing live and without any amplification.
Good luck,
JJM
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Author: thomas piercy
Date: 2003-01-26 20:30
I played the Ebony Concerto once and remember the guitarist using his acoustic guitar but using a hook up to a small amp/speaker sitting to his side.
Tom Piercy
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Author: elmo lewis
Date: 2003-01-26 23:26
I was wondering if any jazz buffs might know what kind of guitar was used in the Woody Herman band. I have seen swing band era acoustic guitars on TV-they are huge monsters with steel strings, very different from the current classical guitar with nylon strings. I thought that an electric might better approximate the old guitar. ¿Any ideas¿
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Author: Peter
Date: 2003-01-27 02:01
Mark C.
Yeah, I'm busted. I guess there is some limited bias involved.
I've heard, both, electric and acoustic guitars played in, both, jazz and classical environments and the acoustics always sound best to me for those purposes, and many, if not most other people I know who know music, feel the same way. Even when the acoustics are otherwise amplified.
It's been a subject of much discussion with us in the past.
There is a certain sound quality in a good acoustic instrument that is difficult, if not impossible, to achieve with an electric guitar, however good it may be, and I know there are some really good ones around. We have a few of each.
I also know some electric guitar players who switch to a 'jazz' guitar (steel strings and 'S' tone holes) when they play jazz and some orchestral endeavors. For straight classical guitar music, I don't know anyone at this time who uses anything but acoustics with nylon or "catgut" strings.
I have also loaned our Carrasco (hand made) Spanish classical guitar (with nylon strings) to some friends who have asked to use it for certain such purposes. (On those few, and far between, ocassions we escort the guitar to backstage and pick it up there when done!)
Having been a guitar player at one time, having two sons who play both types of guitar, being a product of the 1950s and 1960s, a classic rock fan, and enjoying some current groups like The Tragically Hip and Bare Naked Ladies, I have nothing against electric guitars in certain environments. Just not necessarily in jazz, Spanish classical, or classical orchestral music.
But, I guess all that can also be construed as being a personal preference.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-01-27 02:14
Peter wrote:
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> been a guitar player at one time, having two sons who
> play both types of guitar, being a product of the 1950s and
> 1960s, a classic rock fan, and enjoying some current groups
> like The Tragically Hip and Bare Naked Ladies, I have nothing
> against electric guitars in certain environments. Just not
> necessarily in jazz, Spanish classical, or classical orchestral
> music.
Too bad. Not that I needed a 2000 word essay, but as a former professional bass player (and rhythm guitar player from time to time) I think that leaving electric guitar out of the jazz world would be dissing many of the greats - Montgomery, Kessel, Paul, Cipollina, Christian, Metheny, Siccora, Zoller, ...
Having heard Christopher Parkening and Manitas del Plata live with sound reinforcement, I think maybe you don't know how to how good it can be. Perhaps you do know - sound re-inforcement is used in many great halls without the patrons' knowledge.
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Author: Peter
Date: 2003-01-27 02:40
Could be, but at least in my preference (and that's what it all boils down to, is personal preference,) the cold, hard sound of the electric guitar is best suited to other music environments.
By the way, I'm fan some of the people you mentioned in your last paragraph, particularly Les Paul.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-01-27 11:33
Peter wrote:
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> Could be, but at least in my preference (and that's what
> it all boils down to, is personal preference,) the cold, hard
> sound of the electric guitar is best suited to other music
> environments.
Les Paul has a "cold, hard sound"? You and I must have different ears.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-01-27 14:22
Mark Charette said it: "...sound re-inforcement is used in many great halls without the patrons' knowledge." You bet. Unless, of course, the patrons stop to think how they can possibly hear everything so well. The Hollywood Bowl, for example, is an enormous outdoor venue where one can hear a solo flautist quite well up in the two-dollar seats, a few hundred feet from the stage. But the reinforcement is so well done, no one notices it. Any reinforcement that introduces no discernible artifacts is quite fine. The use of electricity does not always make anything sound different. Sometimes it's only louder.
What would today's instrumentation be like if someone had insisted to Leon Theremin that he only should produce acoustic sounds? And, one might wonder, who would have heard of Clara Rockmore?
Regards,
Joh
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-01-27 15:55
"...who would have heard of Clara Rockmore?..."
Hmmm....
Simeon Bellison or Clara Rockmore? Whose photo should we put on the inside cover of our new etude book?
Not even a contest....GBK
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Author: Peter
Date: 2003-01-27 23:32
Mark C.:
I'm replying to you privately, by e-mail. It should be there by now.
Peter
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-01-28 00:35
Peter wrote:
> I'm replying to you privately, by e-mail. It should be there by
> now.
When you send something "privately" you normally wouldn't announce it to the world now, would you?
Something like a stage whisper, right?
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