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Author: kgl
Date: 2003-01-14 18:46
We're having trouble getting a definitive answer on this----
Is fff also defined as fortissimo, or is there another word for it? I've seen four f's also.
Anyone know?
Thanks!!
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Author: William
Date: 2003-01-14 19:29
Dynamics are all relative to musical expression and taste and none have a specific set rating on any decible meter. One quote that I like is, "It should never be louder than lovely." However:
Four F's: "blastissimo" ???? (stuns small mammals)
Five F's: "blastissimossomolto" ????? (defoliates forest areas)
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Author: Benni
Date: 2003-01-14 19:40
I've usually heard it called "triple forte."
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Author: kgl
Date: 2003-01-14 20:43
GBK--
EXACTLY what I was looking for and couldn't find--thanks very much!
kgl
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Author: Brian Peterson
Date: 2003-01-14 20:47
Glenn,
Is that your voice pronouncing the words? ;^)
The recording of the word for pppppp sounds like Max Headroom after a semester in Rome.
BP
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Author: Jean
Date: 2003-01-14 20:47
Incapable of being played by woodwinds? Except perhaps the sax section. Does anyone REALLY need to play that loud?
Jean
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2003-01-15 00:15
All dynamics are in contextual preportion. A piece mayonly go from p to mf. mf is then the loudest dynamic in the piece. a piece that goes from mf to ff, for example, means the mf is the softest dynamic.
In this case, you must also be aware that my first example may be a generally 'softer' piece in it's timbre, and my second example a stronger piece.
Just keep it all in context. Define the loudest moments, and the softest ones, and you really can't go wrong. Just look at ALL factors, including period, composer, what any other instruments are doing if any.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-01-15 00:58
Somhow, pppppp strikes me as indicating a sound about 10 dB quiter than a gnat with intestinal distress. I cannot imagine any need for this notation whatever.
Check me on this one, GBK, but as I recall, Mozart intended f unless otherwise noted.
Has anyone ever tried to quantify dynamic range? Such as, how many deciBels difference between f and ff, etc.?
Regards,
John
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-01-15 02:28
Although we would not find <i>fff</i> in any of Mozart's works, the dynamic range was expanded as we entered the Classical era, largely due to the influence of the Mannheim orchestras, and as a secondary outgrowth of the terraced dynamics found in the Baroque.
Gradations of dynamics now gave rise to the extended use of crescendos and decrescendos.
Beethoven and the boys were waiting in the wings, ready to take over...GBK
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2003-01-15 03:31
Wouldn't labelling dynamics with decibell levels be a little outragous? I think most composers would mean different things by their dynamics.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-01-15 11:49
Definition.
"As loud as possible without involving any additional orifice."
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Author: Pam
Date: 2003-01-15 13:14
I like William's definitions. It seems the dynamics are always "a bit louder" in the trumpet section of the orchestra.
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