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Author: d dow
Date: 2003-01-11 13:15
Dear Freinds: Just recently listened to all the Beethoven Symphonies done in Berlin(PHIL) with Barenboim. While some parts of the cycle are quite good I am strangly bored throughout with the soupiness and the lack of real central pulse in alot of the music. I realize that some may go for this style of approach I think conductors like Jochum and furtwangler knofar more how to bring momentum to these overdone works.
I was quite dissapointed overall in spinte of the brilliance of the Berliner's it still not Karajan or Szell.
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Author: Bob
Date: 2003-01-11 16:47
Haven't aired those but lend my vote to Furtwangler too. There's no doubt about Barenboim's expertise as a musician but his conducting has never done anything for me.
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Author: Larry Combs
Date: 2003-01-11 20:44
Try the new set on Teldec with Barenboim and the Berlin Staatskapelle (not BPO). Wonderful interpretatoins and great orchestral playing--
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Author: d dow
Date: 2003-01-12 00:24
Dear Larry,
Is that set on Teldec?
apparently this is one of the sets I have not heard.
How are things going with the CSO? I am a tremendous fan of your work.
thanks for the reply!
Warmest regards
David Dow
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Author: Andy
Date: 2003-01-12 00:26
Very interesting comments. I heard Barenboim do a solo piano recital at Royal Festival Hall in November and for me hearing his musicianship was a life changing expierence. His touch (on the piano), his phrasing and his sheer brilliance were amazing. I have never heard anyone express so much in music before, and after hearing the recital I found a new energy in my own playing. I realise that this was a piano recital rather then him conducting (which I have never seen), but I will be sure to check out these reordings also, to see if I get the same impression.
On a slight side note, there seem to be many great musicians who were first found as instrumentalists that have for one reason or another gone into conducting. I look at Askenazy (a pianist), Rostropovich (cellist), Baarenboim (piano), Tony Pay and Alan HAcker to a smaller extent (clarinettists), Zuckerman (violin) and see some absolutly wonderful performances. There are also IMO some very average performances by these musicians. Do we all think that it is right for a intrumentalalist to transfer there knowledge to conducting. I can see no reason in stopping a great musician express themselves even if there are the occasional average performances due to their lack of technical ability in conducting.
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Author: d dow
Date: 2003-01-12 01:34
Just checked the Penguin guide and note a new set of Bruckner symphonies with Barendboim is out as well. According to the reviews(idf one ever listens to critics) these are quite different in approach from his earlier work in this area.
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Author: Brandon
Date: 2003-01-12 17:19
Andy, I would have to say that most great conductors were great instrumentalists before they took to the podium. I would imagine that most did not have formal conducting lessons, or were perhaps mentored instead. Take James Levine for example. He was a great pianist and then worked under Szell with the Cleveland Orchestra.
I do believe that the Barenboim recordings with the Staatskapelle are on Teldec. I heard the set about a year ago and did not care for it. If I remember correctly, it was because the tempi just didn't sit well with me. I prefer a quicker pace than Barenboim chose.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2003-01-12 18:56
Larry Combs wrote: "Try the new set on Teldec with Barenboim and the Berlin Staatskapelle"
Why's everybody asking if the Barenboim recordings are on Teldec? (or am I missing something here?)
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Author: d dow
Date: 2003-01-12 22:28
Teldec and telarc are often confused
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