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Author: johng ★2017
Date: 2011-07-02 02:40
If it is fast enough, I would use the open fingering (like open G) for the D. You could also try fingering it like a high C (th-reg) and lean on the G#/Ab key with LH 1st finger.
John Gibson, Founder of JB Linear Music, www.music4woodwinds.com
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2011-07-02 02:51
You can also tap the throat "A" key while still fingering the B, although I have a feeling that'll be too sharp for a "D". Also, instead of the C and RH 1st lever, you can do C and roll onto the throat Ab key. Keeping the motion in one hand might be a little easier depending on the tempo. But the open G suggested above will probably work just fine.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Claire Annette
Date: 2011-07-02 03:05
Thanks. The student has been trying the Ab roll. Sounds like the open fingering is a good possibility. We'll give it a shot.
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2011-07-02 04:26
I'm not at the lesson--I don't know the piece, and brisk tempo is somewhat subjective. I don't know how quickly you need a working solution.
But are we asking the right question?
Should we be seeking alternative fingerings--which if we are, my predecessors here have it nailed, or getting this student in front of a metronome, and practicing their BeeDees, at a slow pace, until intonation and voicing become something, at that pace, the student can do in their sleep...then speeding up the metronome tempo slowly.
The second phrase of the Mozart Clarinet Quintet: a classic BeeDeeBee. Is yours faster?
Sometimes good intonation comes at the expense of more complex fingering. Sometimes complex fingering comes at the expense of consistent voicing. Sometimes consistent voicing comes at the expense of intonation. It's quite the love triangle.
I describe to students that the BeeDees of your example can present challenges because they are the seesaw of clarinet playing. Think about it. In classic fingering, not only are you switching between the pointer finger of the left hand, with its middle and ring finger neighbors, but a second seesaw happens simultaneously between the left and right hands. Timing is key.
If this isn't perfect, performance reliability suffers.
Never be closed minded to alternative fingerings, as long as you don't use them as a means to getting out of doing meat and potatoes/fundamental boring clarinet practice with the metronome, and standard fingerings.
Confidence to hit this every time comes by practicing slowly, and increasing the speed slowly, to a speed even faster than that required of the piece.
Someone's got to drive the dog crazy.
In that great clarinet studio in the sky, Leon's (Russianoff) scolding me for suggesting fundamentals if you've got a working alternative, and Kal's (Opperman) cheering me on, but asking why I didn't refer the questioner to some insanely difficult exercise Kal wrote for the BeeDees, that when the student is done with it, is going to make your passage seem like a walk in the park. I think I hear Kal now telling me to take his "Wee Z" http://www.kalmenopperman.com/music__audio and rewrite it for you around a clarion D scale, like anyone should have realized that--then, have it performance ready in a day!! (not!)
All the best luck!
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Author: Clarinetcola
Date: 2011-07-02 06:31
The opening and recapitulation of Malcolm Arnold's (who sadly passed away a few years ago) Clarinet Concerto no.1 presents the same problem. BDBDBDBD in semiquavers. I ultimately went back to the normal fingerings after searching for a good alternate.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-07-02 07:42
If it was a large bore instrument like a Selmer CT or Series 9, or a B&H 1010 or Peter Eaton Elite, you can play the B as oxo|ooo.
This also makes an excellent and less clanky A-B trill as you're trilling with LH1 instead of LH2 which has the ring key and E/B vent pad open and closing along with it (and especially noisy if you've got cork pads fitted). Lifting LH1 only uncovers a tonehole and the ring stays put as the thumb is holding it closed.
The oxo|ooo fingering for hign B doesn't work so well on small bore clarinets such as the R13 as the tuning is slightly off, but you might get away with it if the note durations are short.
For the D, see if you needn't use the Ab/Eb key as that will make things easier.
See if using either the lower or upper trill keys (or both together) while keeping LH2 down for the B works to give you a D.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2011-07-04 03:44)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2011-07-02 08:24
I would probably use the regular fingering. I might try other fingerings but maybe not, have to actually know the tempo and situation. I have no idea what "brisk tempo" means. I'm guessing about quarter=120BPM.
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Author: Claire Annette
Date: 2011-07-02 12:34
Tempo: Around 120ish.
Feel of the triplet 16ths: an introductory embellishment to the melodic 8th note F that follows.
The piece: a clarinet arrangement of Bartok's "Night in the Village."
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Author: srattle
Date: 2011-07-02 13:25
Use the regular fingering if you can make it sound great.
Otherwise, I suggest using an overblown open G, with the side Bb/Eb trill key to bring up the pitch a little. That's probably what I would use. no need for an unbelievably rich sound on that note. . .
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2011-07-02 17:06
Check my website and find the fingering chart, I have several fingerings posted including trills and tremolo's on the last page. ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Leanne E.
Date: 2011-07-02 17:42
Having done my time with the low clarinets, I love the overblown G just as much as anyone, but having worked with it myself on soprano (I've been working on this and other similar transitions for my next season of swing band), I think it's a little tricky to get my thumb on and off the key fast enough.
...I'd rather work with the less chubby fingers, they have more dexterity and a clear path.
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2011-07-04 03:20
try fingering b and trilling with the throat a key....only use the right hand to trill if possible in the situation.
Freelance woodwind performer
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