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Author: musician4lyfe
Date: 2011-01-05 12:43
My dad gave me his Strassner Clarinet that he used to play in grade school, made by SML, with the Paris stamp. He's 67, so im betting its near 50 yrs old, if not more. It needs new pads im thinkng and some refurbishing, but i have the original hard shell case w crushed blue velvet insert, and its all seemingly in decent condition. It may have a piece missing...im not sure.
any thoughts??
Greg
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Author: PrincessJ
Date: 2011-01-05 12:51
Any pictures so we know what piece is missing?
I always give them new pads and things and make them play nicely before I sell them. I like to hand people working instruments. But that's not mandatory, just a thought.
-Jenn
Circa 1940s Zebra Pan Am
1972 Noblet Paris 27
Leblanc Bliss 210
1928 Selmer Full Boehm in A
Amateur tech, amateur clarinetist, looking to learn!
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2011-01-05 13:57
Don't expect too much. The Strasser was SML's student model (with Lemaire and Marigaux being the intermediate and top model names), so among all other student models it'd need pretty unique features (mint, silver-plated, magic bore, what do I know) to make it stand out a bit.
Bit question is whether or not you'd be able to recuperate your investment if you plan to have the instrument overhauled before you sell it. I doubt it, somehow.
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Ben
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2011-01-05 14:29
Greg -
The clarinet is probably restorable, but the cost, particularly if it needs a new key, will be nearly as much as a new clarinet from one of the big makers, let alone one from the reputable smaller makers such as Ridenour.
Entry-level clarinets have improved dramatically over the last 50 years. I'd advise keeping your father's Strassner in memory of him but getting a new instrument for your own use.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2011-01-05 16:48
Build a Rockinet if you do not want to make a lamp.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92SngKjh6M0&feature=player_embedded#!]
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: susieray
Date: 2011-01-05 17:18
It's not antique; even if it were, very few old clarinets have much monetary value, especially the student models. I'd probably just keep it in the family as a keepsake.
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2011-01-05 17:26
Or, give it to an organization that is looking for old student instruments to provide them for needy students here and abroad.
Google "donate used musical instruments" and you will find a lot of worthy recipients.
Susan
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2011-01-05 21:04
I agree with Susan - as long as the instrument can be made playable with limited effort, it's better off in the hands of a player than on a lamp pedestal.
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Ben
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Author: BobD
Date: 2011-01-06 11:20
Why insult your dad . Just clean it up and put it in a place where everyone can see it. But not as a lamp.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-01-06 14:03
The fact is that any instrument (just like cars) will depreciate in value as soon as they've been bought - you will never be able to get back the full market value for a used instrument no matter how well you look after it and how much you spend on having it serviced and overhauled.
But that doesn't mean because something is X years old it's no longer worth anything and not worth spending any money on having serviced or overhauled. It will still be the same quality instrument if it has been looked after well, but will be significantly lower in monetary value than the equivalent new one even if it has been built with a much higher standard of workmanship than the equivalent new one.
The only identical thing it will have in common with the current equivalent model is the retail price when it comes to insurance value.
I overhauled a pair of Marigaux clarinets just the other week and the owner wasn't sure how much to insure them for - he had undervalued them only thinking they were worth a few hundred pounds each, but to be fair to what they are I told him to insure them for the value of a new pair of Buffet R13s as that's the same level instrument they are.
Obviously the lower model Marigaux clarinets will be valued as the equivalent lower model Buffets, so the next model down will be the E13 and the entry level wooden one will be the E11. Or if you're going by the pricing of Yamaha clarinets, you'll have the Custom AE/SE at the top, then the 650 and 450.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2011-01-06 14:50
Not always true, Chris -- for example, used Selmer (Paris) Mk VI saxophones frequently sell nowadays for many times their original purchase price. In the clarinet world, though, this phenomenon is rare.
Although.....years ago when Woodwind & Brasswind received a one-time-only batch of Marigaux S-200 clarinets (intermediate line) and was selling them for $398, I bought one and as it played far better than the "teacher-picked" R-13 I had at the time, I sold the Buffet and played the Marigaux for a couple of years. At that point I sold the Marigaux for about twice what I had paid for it, so that particular clarinet did appreciate in value.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-01-06 21:34
At least with saxes of a certain notoriety, their popularity and demand coupled with the number of good examples diminishing as time goes on helps to push up the price so there's almost no upper limit for a mint condition SBA or MkVI - even an original condition one is worth much more if the lacquer has worn off over time than if it's a relacquer.
I serviced an 80k MkVI tenor (within the same week as rebuilding the Marigaux set - both came across from the Isle of Wight) which had barely any lacquer left on it, but it certainly is a benchmark among tenors regardless of its appearance. Good thing with the lacquer worn off is that any soldering work can be carried out without the worry of the lacquer scorching - the thumbhook had been pushed into the body (the lightweight Selmer case offering very little protection) so it was a case of unsoldering the baseplate, pushing the dent out and then repositioning the thumbhook further round to the left as you're playing. If I was a tenor player then this one would be the holy grail. Some photos of the LH pinky cluster here: http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?151064-How-to-align-Bb-B-C-G-pinky-cluster-. (scroll down to reply #15 - the direct link won't work as the address has a # in it)
I met both owners as they came across from the island to collect them on the same day, the owner of the Marigaux set said when he played his A 'What've you done with the E?' - as I increased the main action venting he could get the lower register E (xoo|ooo) to speak far more cleany than it had before, plus he was amazed the keywork didn't sound like a typewriter anymore.
Tonewise they weren't all that far off my Series 9s and tuning/intonation was predictable - not as big a tone as my Selmers have, that's because they aren't Selmers, but very easy clarinets to get on with.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Klarnetisto
Date: 2011-01-08 12:54
Contact Jeremy:
http://thevintageclarinetdoctor.com/default.aspx
He should have good advice as he knows the older clarinet brands quite well. He does good restoration work (he did a fine job on my Triébert C Albert) and has reasonable prices.
However, even then you would probably not be able to sell it and recoup that investment. But Jeremy could help you decide if it'd be worthwhile just to make it playable.
Klarnetisto
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