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 "That Large Ring at the Bottom of the Bell"
Author: wjk 
Date:   2005-04-21 14:48

With careful humidification, I've been able to get all the rings on my R-13 tight again. However, "that large ring at the bottom" of the bell is a little loose and can be turned---a tech told me that it is ok because that ring "is largely decorative." Is this correct? Any suggestions/comments?



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 Re: "That Large Ring at the Bottom of the Bell"
Author: pewd 
Date:   2005-04-21 15:10

listen to your tech.

its not load bearing. decorative, also protects the bell when you bang the horn up against a music stand, or a double reed player's head

paul

- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas

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 Re: "That Large Ring at the Bottom of the Bell"
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2005-04-21 15:44

Just make sure that it doesn't "ring" when you play.



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 Re: "That Large Ring at the Bottom of the Bell"
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2005-04-21 16:01

If the looseness bothers you, try cutting some thin paper into very narrow strips and wedge these makeshift shims into the gap between ring and wood -- maybe add a very small dab of glue onto the paper to keep it from sliding back out.

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 Re: "That Large Ring at the Bottom of the Bell"
Author: bill28099 
Date:   2005-04-21 18:52

"is largely decorative." I had a Leblanc bell with a loose lower ring split in half on me once upon a time. I would make a little humidor out of a pill bottle and leave it in the bell when you're not playing. If you can't keep the ring tight then have it worked on.

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you don't even know you should ask.

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 Re: "That Large Ring at the Bottom of the Bell"
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2005-04-22 14:55

But then again many clarinets (e.g. the higher-line Boosey & Hawkes models) had bells without large-end metal rings, and I've personally never seen one of those with a crack down there. The open end of the bell is mechanically unstressed (except for any internal stresses that might have remained from machining, which I would expect to be mimimal at worst), so there is little reason for a bell to crack at the open end unless it is banged against a hard object.

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 Re: "That Large Ring at the Bottom of the Bell"
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2005-04-22 15:01

Just replace it with a backun bell. [wink] [wink] (all SORTS of inside jokes from past threads in this statement!!!!)

US Army Japan Band

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 Re: "That Large Ring at the Bottom of the Bell"
Author: VermontJM 
Date:   2005-04-22 22:20

Your tech guy/girl can fix that.

My understanding is that the ring prevents the bell wood from expanding, but I've never seen a bell crack at the bottom (unless it was dropped.)

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 Re:
Author: Gordon (NZ) 
Date:   2005-04-23 00:34

Yamaha once claimed for a new model that the bell ring was installed under much higher pressure than usual, compressing the timber, and improving the tone. I guess that claim has faded into the oblivion where so many other probably-imagined notions belong.

For loose rings I have sometimes donned a surgical glove, and used my finger to force epoxy between the ring and the timber. I can't see that there is any difference between the effect of doing this, and the effect of using a press to slightly compress the ring.

Indeed, epoxy may very well have a little more 'give' than the metal on its own, to accommodate slight dimensional changes with that occur with humidity changes.



Post Edited (2005-04-23 00:39)

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