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Author: ruben
Date: 2023-07-29 19:51
I have been playing the same Selmer Recital clarinets since around 1985. Have clarinets of that model ever undergone any changes? Mine are practically of the first batch. The has never been a Recital II, for example. Are those made today pretty much identical to the first ones?
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
Post Edited (2023-07-29 22:59)
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Author: ISM
Date: 2023-07-29 23:08
Ruben,
Bob Monie (seabreeze) knows a lot about Selmer clarinets. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen him post here. I miss his erudite responses. Does anyone know how he’s doing?
Imre
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2023-07-30 00:38
ISM,
I miss seabreeze. From time to time we'd communicate off-board, but I haven't been able to reach him in the past six months or so. I'd love to hear how he's doing too!
Fuzzy
;^)>>>
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Author: ruben
Date: 2023-07-30 13:15
Fuzzy: So would I.
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Author: ebonite
Date: 2023-07-30 13:31
they have maybe changed some superficial things like the socket rings
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2023-07-30 19:02
Rwecitals, like most Selmer clarinets have a metal sleeved middle tenon that's crimped in place over the wooden tenon which can work itself loose due to the wooden tenon shrinking, so you can feel it clunking whilst playing, although it's prevented from rotating any more than a degree because of the C#/G# pillar base slots into a recess cut into it at the tenon shoulder.
Then you'll find once you've removed that pillar, it'll rotate fully but can't be removed because of being crimped into a slot cut around the middle of the pillar. The only way to remove it is to split it into two halves by machining the crimped section, then sliding off both ends of the metal tenon sleeve in order to refit it to be able to clean and degrease it in readiness to refit it.
Then you'll have to fill in the gap between each section with filler or a carbon fibre band to make sure the now divided tenon sleeve remains in place and won't rotate, as well as making the tenon cork slot nice and smooth to glue the new tenon cork onto (as completely flat and smooth tenon slots are far better than grooved or knurled ones when using contact adhesive). Why Selmer expect a metal tenon sleeve to remain crimped in place when it goes without saying wood and metal just don't mix.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: ruben
Date: 2023-07-30 19:27
Thanks Chris. -that hardly sound like an improvement. The man I used to work with -JL Clarinettes- used metal- sleeved tenons and we never had the trouble you have described. However, the cork had no resistance going into the metal socket and thus it would slide around; wouldn't make the two bodies hold their position. The technique was discarded because of this. -too many complaints from clarinetists.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2023-07-30 19:42
With metal sleeved tenons on clarinets and oboes, you'll definitely need much thicker than normal tenon corks so they don't get too loose too soon.
If you normally use 1.6mm thick sheet cork for typical tenon corks, then you'd need to use 2mm thick sheet cork for corking tenons fitting into metal sleeved sockets.
And also use good quality cork grease (and not that cheap, crappy lipstick-style stuff supplied with most instruments), only apply a very small amount and spread it evenly over the tenon cork to make it waterproof, keep it supple and make it an easy fit.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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