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Author: Lorenzo_M
Date: 2012-07-16 18:50
I'm not compelled to buy one (as I'm happy with what I have) but am still curious about these anyway. Can a mass production piece really reproduce the same qualities of a hand-faced piece from a smaller maker? What are these made of?
I know they're new, but anyone try them yet? Looks like an all CNC mpc, judging from the video I watched on Rico's site.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2012-07-16 19:00
I tried two prototypes that Mark Nuccio had with him in April, and although I only had a brief time with them my impressions were good.
Unfortunatley I haven't tried them since and have no idea how they'll perform in production.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: brenden601
Date: 2012-07-16 20:23
Hi i am an aspiring clarinetist and was wondering if you guys knew where i could possibly test out these mouthpieces
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Author: brenden601
Date: 2012-07-16 20:36
thanks i heard a lot of great things about these mouthpieces and wanted to try something different as i am currnetly using a vandoren cl4 mouthpiece
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2012-07-16 21:36
I'm an uncompensated Rico artist and waiting for them to send me a couple to try to give them my opionon. As far as your question about mass produced mouthpiece, Vandoren has been very succesful for many years as has been Selmer with their bass mouthpieces. It's just a matter of trying several once you determine that you like a certian facing. Every single mouthpiece from any person or company is at least slightly different, some more, some less. I've never tried two of a kind from anyone that played exactly the same and that goes from the leading makers to those you hardly heard of. Of course I haven't tried every single one. :-). I love my very old Morgan MP on by Bb-A set and it's a one of a kind because it's one of the first he ever made and changed a whole bunch of things after he made his first few. I am curious about the Rico's because I love their reeds already. ESP eddiesclarinet.com
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Lorenzo_M
Date: 2012-07-16 21:44
Yes, of course I don't mean that it's immediately crap because it's mass produced....but I do find it interesting that CNC mass production is a "feature" when even Vandorens are still hand finished (and marketed as such).
With how much care....that's a debate unto itself, but yes, I've played production pieces that were good. I prefer my and finished pieces, but they also can vary as everyone is different.
The talent behind the design and conception is world class, so so I'm curious indeed to see I they succeeded in making a production piece that plays as well as treasured handmade pieces of the past...
Though...I wonder what rod stock they're using...
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Author: brenden601
Date: 2012-07-16 22:59
as i said before i am currently using the vandoren cl4 mouthpiece and have acquired different ligatures over the years and was wondering if this mouthpiece would be a good idea to maybe try out
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Author: SamuelChan
Date: 2012-07-16 23:17
Brenden,
The CL4 can only be fit with certain ligatures for example the M|O, Klassik and the Leather lig. I think other flexible ligs can fit the mouthpiece, but the first three should be the most recommended. Maybe instead of ligatures, you can consider trying out different reeds first before making the whole mouthpiece switch.
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2012-07-16 23:22
The Rico mouthpiece is well worth trying. They have made a successful Rod Rubber mouthpiece, that while it is not as high quality as Rod Rubber mouthpieces from Brad Behn, it is a great product at a great price point.
My teacher acquired one of the prototypes a few months ago. I am a mouthpiece customization specialist myself, so I was very interested to try the mouthpiece and examine its design.
The mouthpiece had a great facing, very even and a fairly traditional facing. The tip opening was also very reasonable, this particular one was 1.04mm. This is not always the case in machined facings.
The other notable aspect of this mouthpiece is that the rails (both side and tip) are very even and thinner than most every machined mouthpiece out there. This makes the mouthpiece very responsive and vibrant.
It is my opinion that these mouthpieces are worth trying, and also that these mouthpieces are higher quality than many of the mouthpiece customizers using zinner blanks (at a fraction of what many are charging).
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Author: brenden601
Date: 2012-07-16 23:26
thanks for responding i think i will definetly try the reserve mouthpiece as for the ligature and reeds i am currently using vandoren 56 3.5+ with the m/o ligature on a leblanc backun cadenza clarinet i also have a rico H ligature and a bois excellente ligature coming as well
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Author: The Doctor ★2017
Date: 2012-07-17 15:35
(Disclaimer - I manufacture Chedeville professional, intermediate, and blank mouthpieces as well as Chedeville barrels. Chedeville is a registered namemark and trademark internationally by G-H, llc.)
I have tried the Rico mouthpieces and although not a professional clarinetist I believe that I do have an ear for tone. The mouthpieces play nicely but IMHO they do not have the tone of the old Chedeville rubber mouthpieces from the 20's and 30's - pehaps this was not their goal - so why go to the trouble of CNC machining??
A few of us have spent years experimenting, testing and perfecting a rod rubber formulation as close as possible to the old Chedeville rubber and mouthpieces by Hill and Behn and IMO mine have a different sound than any molded mouthpiece. Mouthpiece architecture and finishing IMO trump everything else but you have to have the right rubber material IMO to get the "Chedeville sound". In my experience too, CNC machining can never reach the level of a mouthpiece or mouthpiece blank finished by one of the custom mouthpiece artisans. CNC machining can never make a square corner, certain areas cannot be broached to be square, and they can never make an exactly smooth transition between two curved surfaces e.g. the junction at the baffle of the chamber and the throat.
I wish I knew the machinery used in the 20's to make the original Chedeville mouthpieces because we cannot duplicate their blank today with our CNC machines - even 5 axis ones.
L. Omar Henderson
www.ChedevilleMP.com
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