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 R-13 vs Festival
Author: thepinesofrome2416 
Date:   2011-08-17 20:06

While practicing region music and the Paganini Caprice No 24, I noticed the amount of sliding i had to do, what with all the Eb's, C's, and B's, and I was rather put off by it. I don't like sliding and its something I decided to deal with in the past. I started looking into if I could get that extra Eb key added on by itself. Alas, it cannot be done, which to me makes no sense. First of all, don't other buffet models have them? and if so why can't they be added on? Probably so Buffet can get more money. i then started looking into the models, and since I am not very wealthy, I deduced that the festival was the more, economic choice. Now I love my R13, but i am willing to part with it. What are the pros and cons of the Festival, and would you recommend it? Some of you more experienced Festival users could really help me out here.

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 Re: R-13 vs Festival
Author: Caroline Smale 
Date:   2011-08-17 20:21

I wouldn't consider changing my instrument just for the sake of that LH Eb key. Just think of the vast majority of fine clarinetists who have managed quite nicely without it up to now.
Why not just practice the slides until you get more comfortable with them - German system players do this all the time (though most have rollers on the top RH keys to help).
Just work out the sequences so that you get the most comfotable slide for you e.g I much prefer to keep any slides in the RH and also prefer Eb-C level slides to say Eb-B diagonal though both are quite possible.



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 Re: R-13 vs Festival
Author: pewd 
Date:   2011-08-17 20:44

theres only 1 or 2 places where you have to slide in this year's all-state music. its best to learn the technique.

- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas

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 Re: R-13 vs Festival
Author: Bob Barnhart 2017
Date:   2011-08-17 20:56

One of my earliest teachers had a good suggestion to make sliding easier: rub the appropriate finger against the side of your nose and it will pick up enough lubrication to enable the finger to slide more easily across the keys.

Bob Barnhart

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 Re: R-13 vs Festival
Author: NBeaty 
Date:   2011-08-17 22:42

You should learn to slide.

And it IS POSSIBLE to add the key to just about any clarinet, including the R13. Whoever told you that it's not possible just doesn't know how! It's usually about a 200 dollar procedure.

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 Re: R-13 vs Festival
Author: ThatPerfectReed 
Date:   2011-08-18 02:36

There's no shortage of posts and threads on the board regarding retrofitting such a lever.

Here's a more recent one

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=351055&t=351055

As it regards which Buffet's have one, the best answer I have is the Tosca and Festival. The Vintage has one too, but from the best board members can deduce, only the Vintages marketed by Buffet in Europe, not the States.

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=354382&t=354382

That said, I completely agree with what everyone said above about learning the conventional ways of handing the lack of such a lever, including the use of facial grease (nose, behind ear) to make sliding easier.

Acquiring or retrofitting such a level should not be any more a substitute for learning how to play without such a lever, as math concepts should avoid being learned simply because of the advent of the calculator.

"Sliding" my friend is relative child's play. Wait to you get to situations where fast passages necessitate you playing the same note with first the right, and then the left pinky in anticipation of freeing up the right pinky (e.g. Sphor's 1st http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjSHuvcs0a4 around 2:28, or Messager's Solo de concurs, 1st phrase of the candenza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG9D8JjlGow around 2:40, to name a few.)

Unless someone has a financial backer, as you indicate you don't, here's my take on the situation in the form of a paradox "if you haven't mastered sliding yet, let alone the aforementioned "pinky swaping," you should consider yourself lucky to own an R13, let alone a Festival."

I don't say that to be rude--I offer that as tough advice for becoming a better player. I assure you, sliding to make this passage

[D#5] [C#5] [B4] [D#5], from the [D#5] to the [C#5]

is light years easier than making this work by sounding the [C#5] with the left pinky, and quickly switching over to the right pinky, to make the [B4] with the left pinky, to make the [D#5] with the needed right pinky.

This is the advice you need to hear:

Save your money, put the passages you need to master on the music stand with a metronome, and practice doing them BOTH ways, slide and pinky switch, on a slow metronome pace, working your way up to the music's natural pace.

In my humble opinion, left Eb levers are best left (no pun intended) to make virtuosic passages easier to play, not to ease the burden of learning how to live without them. Plenty of professionals have them, and then end up not using them b/c the find the lever's placement awkward.

I'm sorry for the drill sergeant routine. You need to hear it, and you need to do it this way to become more proficient. I have you best interests in mind.

There are many ways in the world of clarineting to spend money to improve your game, at least somewhat. This one's (the left Eb level) not high on that list.

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 Re: R-13 vs Festival
Author: Bob Phillips 
Date:   2011-08-18 03:35

From a still reforming ex Full Boehm clarinetist, I feel duty bound to share my left-hand Eb key experience.

First it is stupid that that key is not part of the standard arsenal in the keywork of a modern clarinet. WHY on earth would that key not be there? Is this the 18th century when 5 (or 7...) keys were sufficient? Leaving the left hand Eb off is the logical equivalent of a 15-key clarinet with only one long B and one long C key.

That being said, simply having the redundant keywork on your clarinet is not sufficient in itself. YOU still have to learn to use it. Right now, if you added the left hand Eb, your primal brain could make no use of it. You'd have to go through the process of learning to employ it.

Worse, some day, you'll have your extra-keywork in the shop when you need to play on a back up or loaner clarinet. It happened to me, and I lost an audition because the key I needed was NOT THERE.

So, if you acquire an extended keywork clarinet, be sure to buy two of them and keep them both in performance condition --that's 4 clarinets, because you'll want the keywork on your A, too.

In the meanwhile, my personal problem is that the other very handy fingerings made available by my departed Full Boehm clarinet are still missed. Example the TR X0X G# |OOO Bb fingering in the Mozart Concerto...

OH, and have you heard me bitch about the propensity of contemporary clarinets to load up their tone holes with water?...

Bob Phillips

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 Re: R-13 vs Festival
Author: Katrina 
Date:   2011-08-18 04:31

And of course, even with the additional Eb lever there will be occasions for sliding! Just think of anything involving clarion Ab going to other pinky keys! :)

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 Re: R-13 vs Festival
Author: ThatPerfectReed 
Date:   2011-08-18 05:14

I completely agree that the key SHOULD be standard equipment on clarinets, as is the [A4] to [B4] trill.

Anymore than that aforementioned standard trill key can be a crutch to not learning the art of quickly spanning from [A4] to [B4] and back in scale work where the right hand needs to remain close the bottom half of the clarinet's tone homes, and said trill key cannot be used.

Or, as mentioned, that "sliding" and "pinky swap" not form part of the essential skills simply because the left pinky lever does exist on a "horn"---much though that I totally agree it should be standard equipment.

Bob: curious--had you known that no Eb left pinky lever would be available to you at this auction would you have practiced with sliding or pinky swap--or was the passage just too difficult to do for you without the left pinky lever? Would you have chosen another piece--assuming you even had the say?

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 Re: R-13 vs Festival
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2011-08-18 21:31

I love having an Eb alternate key. I rarely use it, but every now and then it comes in handy and saves me from poor planning or HAVING to slide.

Alexi

US Army Japan Band

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