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Author: GBK
Date: 2010-04-20 00:45
I was working with a student on Scheherazade when I realized that I could not even remember the last time I heard it performed in concert.
Has it fallen completely out of favor?
Are there other major works which are rarely performed any longer?
...GBK
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2010-04-20 00:56
Philadelphia Orch seems to play it quite often.
Karl
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Author: Curinfinwe
Date: 2010-04-20 00:58
I'm playing it this weekend! My youth orchestra is doing a couple performances around the province... if that second clarinet solo in the first movement doesn't kill me first.
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Author: Pappy
Date: 2010-04-20 01:11
The Indianapolis Symphony is doing it this weekend!
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Author: GBK
Date: 2010-04-20 04:24
kdk wrote;
> Philadelphia Orch seems to play it quite often
I actually grew up listening to the 1962 Ormandy recording. ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
The NYP hasn't performed Scheherazade since the 2005 season.
...GBK
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Author: S.H.J.
Date: 2010-04-20 08:11
The Vancouver Symphony will be performing it in June in its season finale alongside the Rite of Spring.
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Author: donald
Date: 2010-04-20 09:03
When was the last time anyone heard Zampa performed by a major symphony?
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Author: salzo
Date: 2010-04-20 09:19
Great piece, if it was reduced in length by about 89%-which could be said about ALL of Rimskys music.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-04-20 12:25
We just did it in Baltimore this season. Still very popular. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2010-04-20 14:46
The Saint Louis Symphony has Scheherazade on its 2010-2011 season schedule.
Let me toss out another one. Who will be playing or has recently played Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra?
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: grifffinity
Date: 2010-04-20 16:13
Quote:
Has it fallen completely out of favor?
Cuts from Scheherazade were used for at least five different figure skating programs (including the Men's Olympic Gold medalist from the U.S.) during these past Olympic games. Any fan of figure skating knows that this, Carmen, and Rach's Theme on Paganini are used every single year by multiple skaters to the point of overuse!
As a fan of skating, I hear it often enough on TV!
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Author: Connor
Date: 2010-04-20 21:48
Le Tombeau de Couperin
Nielsen V
MM. Clarinet Performance University of Texas at Austin (2012).
BM. Clarinet Performance University of Northern Colorado (2010).
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2010-04-20 22:10
Max Schonherr's Austrian Peasant Dances. Had wide circulation on the old 78s and later Arthur Fiedler and his Boston Pops Orchestra done them on his album "Concert in the Park". Since then , nothing, not even Naxos has got around to recording them , yet they were very popular in the late 40s and early 50s. One of these dances even features a laughing clarinet. The Sydney Symphony Orchestra performed some of them a while back and I have heard that recording on the ABC Classics Radio.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2010-04-21 01:16
"I actually grew up listening to the 1962 Ormandy recording."
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There's a recording with Stoki (pretty sure it was him) conducting in the early 60's the Phila. Orch. where Gigliotti plays the cadenza with the wrong # of run repeats. I haven't been able to find that recording.
Anyone heard it?
I know of that recording as Gilgiotti had told me about it.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-04-21 01:59
It's actually orchestras themselves which have fallen out of favor, not the music they play.
Written with tongue only partly in cheek.
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Author: tdinap
Date: 2010-04-21 16:20
I saw the NY Philharmonic do Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra last year, and the Royal Philharmonic perform Scheherezade the year before. Considering the fairly small number of programs many orchestras do these days, I think every year or two would be a reasonable frequency.
I don't see Saint-Saens' 3rd symphony or Danse Bacchanale on schedules very often--are they among those works being played less frequently?
Tom
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Author: BobD
Date: 2010-04-21 22:14
Well, Sheherezade hasn't fallen out of favor with me.....but it should only be played on a pleasant early June night out of doors, just as Russian Easter Festival Overture is best played in April prior to Easter.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2010-04-21 23:40
Scherezade is still a standard work and will most likely remain so at is a much better work than say Cappriccio Espagnol.
However a few points to make regarding rep. Time is supposed to filter the great stuff out from the bad. That is why we still play Mozart 40 and not any of the other bad works from that era. Same with Beethoven vs. Cherubini, Hummel, and the rest of the also-rans.
So here are some works that were taught to me by my teacher, Ronald Phillips (now deceased) who started his career in 1922 in the movie orchestras in Seattle:
von Suppe Overtures (Poet and Peasant, Light Cavalry)....never get done
Lizst Hungarian Rhapsodies (never get done, but were once popular)
Resphigi Rome Tone poems...once popular but seldom done anymore
Just pick the excerpt book that Bonade did for LeBlanc. There are many works that just are no longer in the rep.
Sibelius Tone poems such as Swan of Tuonela, Poljola's Daughter
even Francesa da Rimini is seldom played in the concert hall.
But other works do end up becoming part of the canon through the filter of time such as Barber Adagio for Strings, Bartok Concerto for Orch (I disagree with a previous post), Shostakovitch 5th, Copland Appalachian Spring. So time does work as a filter.
By the way, Stokowski was famous for wanting those cadenzas in the clarinet and bassoon to be played rather ad lib rather than counted for accuracy. If you think about it, that approach is the correct. It should sound improvised and rather wild with abandon. The conductors always wait until you help them bring the strings back in. I think that most players are to literal in their interpretation and it lacks the wild quality that Stoki wanted.
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