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Author: davyd
Date: 2009-06-01 01:45
In the score of R. Strauss' Alpensinfonie, there's some curious (at least to me) notation in various woodwind parts. There's "Es-Clar D" and "C-Clar D" in various places, with similar notation for others: "2 Hob D", etc. In other spots, there's "Es-Clar E", "C Clar E", etc.
What do these "D" and "E" mean in this context? Something about transposition doesn't seem likely.
Perhaps the "D" means "doppelt", meaning "doubled", with the "E" meaning "einzel" or "single"?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2009-06-01 02:56
A bigger problem:
The 1st clarinet having to play a B6 at #7 ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
...GBK
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2009-06-01 05:17
GBK wrote:
>> A bigger problem: The 1st clarinet having to play a B6 at #7. >>
I found the biggest problem to be finding myself sitting in front of the D trumpet.
With regard to the original question, I'm afraid I don't know, and don't have a score handy; but I'll be interested to find out, too.
Tony
Post Edited (2009-06-01 05:21)
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Author: oliver sudden
Date: 2009-06-01 08:21
That's exactly right. In the front of the score is the indication "in large orchestras the 2 flutes, oboes, Eb and C clarinets should be doubled from figure 94 at the marking D". E clearly means 'back to single' although he doesn't say exactly what it stands for.
And just after that it says: "for performance of the long phrases in the winds, Samuel's Aerophon is to be used". Anyone ever used or even just seen one?
Top B isn't such a problem is it? Not compared with the low G on the heckelphone just before figure 52. A whole-tone lower than the instrument actually goes. (Guntram Wolf has built an instrument that goes low enough, on the other hand. He calls it the Lupophon...)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-06-01 09:36
From what I've read, Samuel's Aerophon is like a small compressor (possibly bellows controlled), and the compressed air is supplied to the player's mouth via a tube which the player has in the corner of their mouth while playing so they can do long unbroken phrases without having to circular breathe.
Imagine that! But please don't all go out and use a modern compressor!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: oliver sudden
Date: 2009-06-01 09:45
...you'd still have to breathe, though, wouldn't you? I assume the tube doesn't go all the way to the lungs? ![[whoa]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie10.gif)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-06-01 11:55
I'd hope not!
The tube only goes into the mouth cavity which acts like a reservoir so the player can still breathe normally through their nose, but the compressor is keeping the air pressure supplied to the instrument with the oral cavity closed off as you would do when you've got a mouth full of water but can still breathe through your nose - so it's a bit like being a human bagpipe but with the oral cavity as the bag.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-06-01 12:37
That's the idea - but obviously not the most popular idea.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2009-06-01 14:27
> (Guntram Wolf has built an instrument that goes low enough, on the other
> hand. He calls it the Lupophon...)
...because of excessive wolf tones? ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif)
--
Ben
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2009-06-01 14:43
Perhaps it would be a good idea to install, above every orchestral stage, a few rows of overhead bins with drop-down oxygen masks (as in commercial airliners) to facilitate the playing of long held notes by all wind players. The masks would of course require a certain amount of redesign to allow playing of the various instruments while receiving the life-giving gas.
We could then extend the concept to the string players by installing drop-down rosin dispensers for their bows.
I think we're on to something here............
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