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 Marcellus - Mozart K622
Author: John O'Janpa 
Date:   2004-10-10 03:47

Finally was able to buy a 1996 Sony Essential Classics CD, which includes a 1961 recording of Mozart Clarinet Concerto done by Marcellus & Cleveland Orchestra in Severance Hall.

After listening to it a couple of times, I decided to try to play along with it. I was surprised to find I was waaay! flat. I took my tuning ring out so I could push my barrel all the way in, and still had to lip up slightly.

I adjusted my tuner to the recording, and it seems to be in A=448.

Is this how they actually played it, or has someone messed with the recording?

Was there a different tuning standard in 1961?

Should I throw my CD player away?

Not that any of this makes a big difference, but I'm curious.

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 Re: Marcellus - Mozart K622
Author: EEBaum 
Date:   2004-10-10 03:54

Could be that the more recent transfer to CD was done at a slightly different speed than the original recording.

-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com

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 Re: Marcellus - Mozart K622
Author: LeOpus1190s 
Date:   2004-10-10 07:58

That's odd, my recording is right on, i play with mr marcellus all the time! :)

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 Re: Marcellus - Mozart K622
Author: John O'Janpa 
Date:   2004-10-10 17:34

Today the CD played perfectly in tune at A=440.

All I can figure is that since I seldom use the CD player somehow it played at the wrong speed for a while.

Anyhow- NEVERMIND!

John

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 Re: Marcellus - Mozart K622
Author: EEBaum 
Date:   2004-10-10 17:42

A CD player won't play at the wrong speed. Changing the speed or pitch requires significant digital signal processing, which I've never seen on a standalone CD player.

-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com

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 Re: Marcellus - Mozart K622
Author: marcia 
Date:   2004-10-10 19:58

I have played along with tape recordings of myself playing an orchestra concert ( that lovely solo from Carmen) and find the pitch to be very different! And yes I did use the same clarinet to play along, as I had done in the recording.  :)

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 Re: Marcellus - Mozart K622
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2004-10-10 21:44

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A CD player won't play at the wrong speed. Changing the speed or pitch requires significant digital signal processing, which I've never seen on a standalone CD player.
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I've seen it in CD players (typically in some of the more costly ones) and also as a stand alone program.

As for tapes there can be a world of difference between the original recording and the player.

If the original recording were taped at a slightly faster speed (tape inch per second rate) than it would play quite flat on your tape player if it played at the "standard rate".



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 Re: Marcellus - Mozart K622
Author: vin 
Date:   2004-10-10 22:13

I've seen this with some cd players as well.

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 Re: Marcellus - Mozart K622
Author: msloss 
Date:   2004-10-11 00:33

It is perfectly possible your CD player's clock is wandering. If it is clocking at more than 44.1kHz, it would sound sharp, without any DSP at all. I've had stranger things happen with digital gear that is misbehaving. In answer to your question, if it has taken on a mind of its own, yes - it would probably be cheaper to scrap it than have a tech chase down the problem.

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