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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-09-23 18:55
Our orchestra is doing this one next and was wondering what recordings out there any one may reccommend.???
..I have been listening mainly to Abbado in Vienna and Szell in London.
It may not hurt to have a listen to something else!
David Dow
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Author: LeOpus1190s
Date: 2004-09-23 19:02
Von Karajan and Berlin and i think its barenboim or solti and the CSO. Both really good.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-09-23 19:22
The 1976 Berlin/von Karajan recording.
Great tempos, powerful ensemble playing, world class principal players.
von Karajan and Leister both in their prime ...GBK
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2004-09-23 20:22
I recently heard a good one from DG with Mikhail Pletnev and the Russian National Orchestra, part of a 5-disc set with all 6 Tchiak symphonies.r
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Author: JessKateDD
Date: 2004-09-23 21:33
Mravinsky/Leningrad, recorded in 1960 on DG is my favorite - it's in a 2CD set with the 5th and 6th symphonies. You can go to Amazon.com - there are excerpts from every movement there.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2004-09-23 21:35
The Szell/London is great. I think also Mravinski and a Russian group. Lucky you Dave. In prior posts I have mentioned a recent Detroit with Naarvi as being the best I ever heard...but it's not available because of union rules....so they told me. The finale has to erupt like a volcano for me to love it.
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Author: Tom J.
Date: 2004-09-23 21:41
I absolutely hate Tchaik. 4, it's not in the same class with 3, 5 and 6 which are masterpieces. However the Mariss Jansons, Oslo Phil. recording is very listenable.
The best performance I ever heard was a Szell, Cleveland Orch. tour concert in Wash. D.C. in the sixties. It was electric and the 4th movement wasn't vulgar, as it often is.
Post Edited (2004-09-23 23:31)
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-09-23 22:45
I'm going to suggest a radical performance: The (then) Leningrad Philharmonic under Mravinski ... I also like Karajan's but MUCH prefer the authentic Russian sound of Mravinski's Tchaik.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-09-24 02:15
Thanks everyone!!!
...I think I will try to find these records..
I seem to remember hearing the 60s 4 with Herbert but I will defintely try to find what is above..
The last movement looks pretty loud too...
might be time to get out the ear plugs
Regards
David Dow
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Author: mkybrain
Date: 2004-09-24 03:55
I was the PBS feature with Tilson Thomas and the San Francisco Orchestra. After thinking abiout, they seemed to imply that russians are naturally more able to play russian music( i got this impression after they interviewed the two russian violinist). Do you guys think this is true?
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-09-24 06:08
No ... it's just russian-mindesness, it's like suggesting that only Americans can play Copland or Ives ... just not true.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: msloss
Date: 2004-09-24 13:47
Solti - Chicago. The digital sound is a little strident (earlier days of CD) but the orchestra cooks. Sit a few extra feet back from the speakers, though, or the brass will give you a sunburn. LC (no surprise) nails all the great clarinet moments. Huge sound. Perfect fingers.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2004-09-24 14:27
"only Russians can play"....Of course others can play the 4th and other "Chai" compositions perfectly adequately...and some even moreso but there is something about a Russian orchestra and conductor playing his music...and other Russian music....Perhaps it is just my mind playing tricks on me...but I don't think so. "Vulgar"....No, I don't think so but "ballsy" maybe. Romantic is not always sugar and spice.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2004-09-24 14:32
I like an old (early 1970s?) recording of the Paris Conservatory orchestra under Albert Wolff. FWIW.
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Author: vin
Date: 2004-09-25 04:46
I second Chicago-Solti or Chicago-Abbado not only for the great clarinet playing but to hear perhaps the greatest brass section of all time in their prime. Supreme artistry and efficient use of air.
Tom J.- you really prefer the polish symphony (no. 3) to 4? in my humble opinion, 3 is boring as toast, but I guess it's all personal.
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Author: graham
Date: 2004-09-27 08:10
Bohm and the LSO is very good. Brymer at his absolute peak.
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Author: Tom J.
Date: 2004-09-27 18:33
Yes, Tchaik. 3 (the Polish) may be an acquired taste, but given a first-rate performance, such as Jansons and Oslo, it seems a more distinguished work than the 4th.
I recently heard a tremendous performance of the 4th with Marriner and ASMF, but whenever I hear the last movement of the 4th I still think of the tune "Everybody Loves Mrs. Murphy", which kills the whole work for me.
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