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Author: Igloo Bob
Date: 2004-06-24 05:10
Did the two of them ever do anything together? I know both of them did a lot of work with other big jazz musicians, but I've yet to see anything where they worked together. I think it'd be kind of cool to have Goodman on the Clarinet, and Dolphy on the Bass.
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Author: ChrisC
Date: 2004-06-24 16:05
I couldn't imagine Goodman's reaction to Dolphy's playing being anything but one of revulsion. I would even doubt that they were aware of each other's music.
For the first fifty or so years of jazz's existence, the music developed at a quicker rate than it does nowadays, and by the time Dolphy was on the scene, he was the epitome of the avant-garde while Goodman was either a grand master or an old fogey, depending on your point of view (sort of the way he is now.) While Dolphy has now been accepted into the pantheon of jazz greats (well, sort of), that was by no means the case during his lifetime, making collaboration with anyone of Goodman's generation an unlikely proposition.
In other words, no.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2004-06-24 18:04
Oil and water together? Brahms and Schoenberg together? Here's another "what if": Benny and Don Byron together --- that might be interesting...........
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Author: ChrisC
Date: 2004-06-24 21:47
Actually, Schoenberg was a great admirer of Brahms and saw in his compositions adumbrations of serialism...whether or not Herr Doktor Brahms would have approved of Schoenberg's music is another question altogether.
Myself, I appreciate Goodman *and* Dolphy, Brahms *and* Schoenberg...(not a fan of Don Byron though).
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Author: larryb
Date: 2004-06-25 01:11
They don't seem to have played together, but I disagree that they were incompatible because of the age difference (as implied by ChrisC).
After all, Dolphy did perform with Garvin Bushell (born in 1902) as well as Roy Eldridge.
Mixing of extreme ends of the generational and stylistic spectrum is not that unusual in jazz (see: Monk/Hawkins, Parker/Sid Catlett, Mingus/Roach/Ellington).
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Author: ned
Date: 2004-06-25 02:00
I would imagine that ED would have been aware of BG and would have been influenced by him ( and hey - maybe he decided NOT to follow BG's path as a result).
I suspect that BG would possibly been aware of ED too - but as he was NOT a bopper I don't think he would have been impressed by ED particularly. The closest BG came to that style was on those sessions with Charlie Christian.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2004-06-25 05:03
i'm sure dolphy knew goodman's music and liked it because, well, it's good music. also i'm sure that if goodman knew dolphy, he didn't like his music at all. i know goodman listened to parker and dizzy once and just was disapointed and thought they are playing bad music. i don't believe he would think any different about dolphy (although parker is hard for non-musicians to listen to).
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Author: larryb
Date: 2004-06-25 12:21
For the record, Goodman did perform/record with true boppers in the late 1940s, most notably Wardell Gray and Fats Navarro.
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Author: allencole
Date: 2004-06-25 22:39
Benny Goodman made a statement to the press in the 1970's that moden jazz had degenerated into a bunch of "funny noises"--I can remember my Dad saving me the clipping. He was also a very conservative player. Can't imagine a collaboration with either Eric or Don.
While it's true the he recorded with Wardell & Fats Navarro--I have the recordings--he was a big critic of bebop, and was known to exorcise chord tensions from some of this arrangements. Eddie Sauter may have a story on that somewhere... If you listen to the bop album, most of the bop part is superficial--primarily the Chico O'Farrell arrangements. Note that the experiment was not repeated, although he did have a Scandavian protege who had shown some promise in the bop field. Died in a car wreck--stopping the march of jazz clarinet, some say. (Anybody remember that guy's name? I think he may have recorded with Wardell)
I also doubt that either Eric or Don would've been interested in a collaboration with Benny. Don naming one of his albums "No Vibe Zone" communicated that sentiment very well.
But all have something to offer individually. Different strokes for different folks...
Allen Cole
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