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 Re: One in Four Classical Musicians Use Beta Blockers
Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date:   2006-03-29 23:10

JessKateDD --

Yes, I see all of the sports organisations you've listed - except aeronautics which understandably have very highly restrictive medical regimes because of side effects and the position of public safety that's at issue. And once again, I would be loathe to think that we as musicians would make ethical decisions, policy, etc, or take specific guidance from sports organising bodies.

(By the way, Ad Hominem is translated literally as "to the person" so I hope that the public organisation that I mentioned out there hasn't been "personally" offended by my remarks! :^) ).

I think that the AFof M. and musical organisation managements understand this issue very clearly from the notes I've read from conferences on the subject and from speaking with administrators at the highest level of our profession. Same thing with physicians and musicians. We're all pretty much on the same page with the issue - again if under medical supervision.

I and others have addressed your earlier post by asking you to reread the entire thread. Your misunderstanding of the term of "doping" and it's differentiation from the concept of "allowers" (enabling those with what they perceive as psychological deficits) seem to me to be somewhat discriminatory in nature. Also, I've addressed quite specifically the medically unwise use of beta blockers with children.

You seem to feel as though people cheat when they use something other than their own free will to overcome these inherent psychological deficits - deficits that each of us has to decide for ourselves whether or not we have. That's a pretty extraordinary assertion to make in light of one's need of being free to determine one's own individual's medical or psychological needs. In fact I would say that your assertion is highly contradictory when it comes to the issue of free will itself - as in the free will to choose not to be debilitated when performing music by taking BBlockers.

I can understand the perceived unfairness in the experience you recite in an earlier post - that is unless one realises that the medication is available to all that make their own personal decision that they need to use it as a last resort to make up for their own perceived psychological deficit.

I would hope that you would also see that individual right to treat for psychological deficits no differently.

Gregory Smith



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