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 Re: Blowing terminology
Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date:   2008-09-23 20:25

Arnoldstang wrote:

>> Liquorice offered this:
Quote:

"When we play the clarinet there are two OPPOSING forces: blowing -- which is done with the abdominal and back muscles; support -- which is done with the diaphragm."
>> I would ask how do we activate these two forces? How do we blow? How do we support?

The answer is that we blow by using our abdominal and back muscles together. We can FEEL ourselves doing this.

How we support is that we push back against the blowing, as described above, using our diaphragm as a muscle.

But, the difficulty is here made clear. We CAN'T feel ourselves doing this, because we have no direct experience of our diaphragm working. There are no sensory nerves in the diaphragm.

I haven't said this before, but it may be useful. WHY don't we have any nerves in the diaphragm?

Well, I don't really know; but I think the following is plausible:

We have nerves in muscles that can be DAMAGED. It's obviously useful for us to know that we have been damaged, and to feel pain in parts of our body that need to be looked after. All sorts of parts of our body fall into this category, and so have evolved to tell us about their situation.

But the diaphragm really doesn't. It's inside, and so not susceptible to damage. Therefore, evolution hasn't given us feedback about its behaviour.

>> Tony wrote........
Quote:

"Look at it like this: you flex your abdominal muscles to some small degree, and then breathe (yawn) in against that resistance. You are now prepared to play with minimal support.

"Then, you flex your abdominal muscles to a greater degree, and breathe (yawn) in against that resistance. You are now prepared to play with significant support."
>> As you can see, Liquorice says blowing is done with the abdominals and Tony says we support in varying degrees with the abdominals. How would you reconcile this? It would appear blowing and supporting are the same.>>

You don't SUPPORT with your abdominals, but you can know that you are supporting by HEARING that you are playing less than you could play with that amount of flexion of your abdominals.

YOU CAN'T FEEL YOUR DIAPHRAGM. Therefore, you can only know that you are using it NOW by comparing the dynamic you are producing NOW (using that amount of blow, NOW) with what you would produce normally.

Tony
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