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Author: EaubeauHorn
Date: 2022-07-06 22:06
I can't figure out what this key is FOR. I've owned three Rigoutat Expression oboes; the first two were bought from my teacher (he moved on to Laubin) and he had somehow glued the two octave keys together. My third oboe, I bought elsewhere and the keys are not glued together, however I have no idea what the upper one is even used for. I have no trouble with the highest notes without it, so ... ?
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Author: oboist2
Date: 2022-07-07 01:28
I have played oboes with the third octave key and also without. I have found that the third octave key is very useful for the transition from high D# to E, when you can use a short high D# and a long E. It is one of the most useful fingerings there is, and it was not until I played on my oboe that had the third octave key for 30 years before it was pointed out to me. It does facilitate the higher notes, and whilst it is true that most oboes that do not have it will play the high notes, that third octave key does give an assurity that is sometimes otherwise lacking. My current oboes do not have it ( as I switched back to thumb plate, and my instruments are old, but I have to say, I do miss that third octave key.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2022-07-07 14:32
It will help under some conditions from high E or F upwards if you like to play up in the stratosphere. Depending on how it's set up (in how much it opens by), you can also use it to sharpen some altissimo notes by a semitone. Normally it's set up to only open by a mere crack and it's up to the player to adjust it to their liking depending how they use it.
I always found it funny that Howarth student model oboes ordered for the US market didn't have the 3rd 8ve requested as standard, yet the student model cors did.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: EaubeauHorn
Date: 2022-07-07 21:30
Since I'm a lover of 2nd parts (I do not enjoy being a soloist on anything, after my sojourn as concertmaster of both my high school and college orchestras) -- I think I'll just continue to ignore its presence. TY for the information.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2022-07-07 23:15
It's one less thing to go wrong and one less place for cracks to run through.
I've had instances (both on my oboe and with other players' oboes) where the 3rd 8ve key has stuck open as the adjusting screw tip dug right into the disc glued to the body.
I fit a nylon tip to the 3rd 8ve adjusting screw (and to several others as standard) to prevent that from happening.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Hotboy
Date: 2022-07-22 22:11
Can you specify the high D# short fingering? I know high E short fingering but not D#.
Dane
Bay Area, California
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Author: oboist2
Date: 2022-07-23 00:52
HLF HOLE, 2nd and third finger down, + 3rd octave key, nothing down riight hand. Works a treat.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2022-07-23 01:10
How much is your 3rd 8ve key opening by?
One handy fingering I discovered purely by chance for doing an 8ve slur from middle Eb up to altissimo Eb was simply by raising RH1 (oxx|oxxEb).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: oboist2
Date: 2022-07-24 01:22
If you are referring to my last answer Chris, I no longer have an instrument with the third octave key, but when I did, it was adjusted so that the opening was very little, maybe the width of a a hair, but certainly not much more than that.
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Author: Hotboy
Date: 2022-07-26 00:59
Interesting...that's what I use for short E, not D#...I guess I still don't have a fingering for it now...
Dane
Bay Area, California
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Author: oboist2
Date: 2022-07-27 01:06
My short E is 1/2 hole, and second finger down + 3rd octave key if you have it, first octave key if you don't. On some oboes this works better than on others, but this was the one I was taught and nearly always use.
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Author: Hotboy
Date: 2022-07-29 09:23
OK, you'd better state what brand of oboe you're playing...I'm betting NOT a Loree.
Dane
Bay Area, California
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Author: oboist2
Date: 2022-07-30 00:58
I now play on old instruments, but a Loree is one of them. The one with a third octave key I used to own was a Fossati. The insturment that I learned and played in my earlier days was a Loree.
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Author: Hotboy
Date: 2022-08-01 21:06
Interesting...maybe the difference in pitch on the short fingerings has to do with reed or embouchure.
Dane
Bay Area, California
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Author: belle
Date: 2022-08-23 15:45
It's so interesting, because when you learn as a kid, you're taught "how it is" and what the correct fingerings are. Then as an adult I realize it's a case of "if it works, use it!"
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