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 [Help Needed] What brand is this?
Author: AllenLin 
Date:   2018-04-17 07:13

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A friend and I are trying to figure out the oboe maker according to the marks imprinted on the bell of the oboe [see attachment]. Unfortunately, someone (most likely a music repairman) decided to engrave their name over the maker of the oboe. Googling the person's name led to a search but quickly ended with no luck. The only description that we are told is that it is a 1945 German "Military" Oboe. There is a star insignia on the end of the engraving along with a serial number. At first glance, I assumed the maker was an old Buffet (but unfortunately not).

What I assume from the oboe is: 1) It's made of African Black Wood 2) It's either a student or intermediate model oboe.

Can someone identify if it might be a full conservatory or modified conservatory, etc. and perhaps any leads to whom the maker might be?

Thanks everyone!

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 Re: [Help Needed] What brand is this?
Author: mberkowski 
Date:   2018-04-17 23:50

I don't have an answer to your question, but I can point out that the faulty image links can be repaired by restoring the lost "g" from the .jpg extension:

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/10,524/29744627_1775799642441064_8554150485662768569_o.jpg

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/10,525/30716003_1793297480691280_4744531534441086976_n.jpg

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/10,526/30706192_1793297470691281_5977714007736320000_n.jpg

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 Re: [Help Needed] What brand is this?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2018-04-18 00:57

Clickable links (surround the link with < and > )

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/10,524/29744627_1775799642441064_8554150485662768569_o.jpg

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/10,525/30716003_1793297480691280_4744531534441086976_n.jpg

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/10,526/30706192_1793297470691281_5977714007736320000_n.jpg

It's a Kolhert (Graslitz/Kraslice) - the name can just be seen under the overstamp. It reads:

V. Kohlert &
Sohne
Graslitz

It's an older German spec oboe - ring key conservatoire system with fully automatic 8ves.

Chris.

Post Edited (2018-04-18 13:03)

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 Re: [Help Needed] What brand is this?
Author: edgar 
Date:   2018-04-30 19:28

The golden overstamp is "J Monke Köln". They (now) mainly produce brass instruments. See http://www.josefmonke.de/. I remember having been in their shop and that they also sold woodwind instruments.

Edgar Huckert

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 Re: [Help Needed] What brand is this?
Author: Barry Vincent 
Date:   2018-04-30 21:59

I just love the roller that enables you to use the basic finger of F and then roll down to D. I can imagine that it would also be easy to roll up from D to F as well which is not practical without a roller. This avoids the cross fingering of the fork F. I find in practice I can roll down from F to D without needing such a feature just so long as it's not within a slur.

Skyfacer

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 Re: [Help Needed] What brand is this?
Author: Hotboy 
Date:   2018-06-19 19:46

Just curious about the key that sits just above the right-hand G#key...what does it do?

Dane
Bay Area, California

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 Re: [Help Needed] What brand is this?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2018-06-19 20:26

Hotboy wrote:

"Just curious about the key that sits just above the right-hand G# key...what does it do?"

That's unusually the side G-Ab trill key on this oboe - the real question being "What does the lower of the two RH side keys do?"

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/download.html/10,524/29744627_1775799642441064_8554150485662768569_o.jpg

It's linked to the Bb key with a bridge (from what I can just see from the photo), but that can't give an Ab-Bb trill as the Bb key won't open while LH3 is held down - the Bb key is linked directly to the bridge from LH3 to the 8ve mechanism. You're more likely to bend the key using it whilst LH3 is held down.

Some thumbplate systems have a side G# key as the upper side key, but this one isn't thumbplate system as they don't have LH3 ring key/fingerplate linked to the Bb key. Unless it's a Schreiber-built basic thumbplate system (Buffet student model) and they linked the LH3 fingerplate to the side key which shouldn't be done.

Normally ring key conservatoire systems have the side G# key as the lower side key and an Ab-Bb trill key as the upper of the two side keys (which also makes for a useful high F# key just as the side Bb key does on saxes in conjunction with the high F fingering), but on this oboe it seems to be reversed or it does something else entirely.

Chris.

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 Re: [Help Needed] What brand is this?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2018-06-19 20:33
Attachment:  kohlertoboe.bmp (1040k)

Although looking at that photo, it appears the linkage with the adjusting screw from the Bb key to the bridge isn't original as it's pretty crude-looking (see attachment), so maybe it was originally built as fully automatic thumbplate system and later converted to conservatoire system.

Maybe that's why the logo has been overstamped with someone else's.

Chris.

Post Edited (2018-06-20 00:48)

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