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Author: mjfoboe
Date: 2012-11-29 12:03
Hi,
I know there have been extensive discussions on gougers on the forums. I read many of them.
And once again I am interested in getting another gouger.
Much of the discussion has been related to the benefits/liabilities of single vs. double radius gougers.
I would like to discuss another aspect of the gouger issue; that is the effect of various changes to the curve as it relates to reed making ... tone, pitch, flexibility etc.
I want to thank those who have already corresponded with me privately by email.
As many of you know I became interested in this issue when I switched from my Loree to m Marigaux 901, The old gouger set-up did not work for me anymore. I had a custom blade made which solved the problem of upper register pitch stability.
I know that some people have gougers with 11mm beds and for example 10.75 or 10.50 blades. Or smaller beds etc ......
So can one understand the curve changes as they relates to specific reed characteristics ... tonal qualities .... maybe even Oboe make. For example ... .60 or .58 center with a thinner or thicker side .... or a different slope?
I believe that short scrape reeds use a different gouge than long scrape players.
So I hope we can have a good discussion here.
Once again thanks to those who already have communicated with me privately.
Mark
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Author: JMarzluf
Date: 2012-11-29 21:24
To simplify things, thicker means more open, which means lower pitch. The sides of the gouge are more sensitive to change, so it is beneficial (in my opinion) to use a double radius machine, so that the side thickness can be changed independent of the center measurement. The actual curve of the blade on a double radius machine, since it is not a "perfect" circle-cross-section, is very proprietary to the maker and can have miraculous or disastrous acoustical effects on the finished reed.
Jonathan
http://www.marzlufreeds.com/
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Author: Loree BF51
Date: 2012-12-01 19:35
This may be old data, but when I was studying with Ray Still in the late 50's and through the 60's (19, not 18!), he used 58-60 in the center and 40 at the edges and he especially wanted a very smooth transition, without the spine that was so prevalent at that time. He used a Bhosys gouger and a Starett dial mic that we took a little bit out of the spring, so it wouldn't indent the cane like a stock one. He used cane from Moennig in Philadelphia and then later, Delacroix, if I remember correctly. Then, in later years, he probably changed the cane source, but I don't know about the rest. At that time he was using a Loree AK and AU and then later, a newer Loree, that he used to refer to, as his "Strad". At the last concert I heard him do, twenty years later or so, he was playing a Buffet. I don't know if he ever played Marigaux,s.
Lately, I seem to notice that in the general marketplace, there has been a shift to thicker sides, but I don't know if that is absolutely correct. Regards.
R. Still former student
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Author: mjfoboe
Date: 2012-12-02 12:52
Hi to all,
As a trial I just order six pieces of cane (my batch) gouged on an11mm bed and a 10.75 blade. The result will be thicker sides. I am curious to see how my reeds play.
If it works well I might buy that set-up and machine.
Mark
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