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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2015-03-25 01:45
is there a fix for it?
it is extremely flat on this horn (no it is not a player: G is very much in tune on Noblet 45 with the same MPC). The rest is more or less in tune.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-03-25 01:49
What fingering are you using?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2015-03-25 02:10
it is not workable with basic (almost 50 cent off) and it is very very flat with
RT 1--|1--F# That's all they tried.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-03-25 02:12
Use the Ab/Eb key instead.
Sp. Th. xoo|xoo Ab/Eb
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2015-03-25 02:13)
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Author: rmk54
Date: 2015-03-25 02:31
Try the "high school" fingering:
RK T oxo|xxo Ab/Eb
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-03-25 02:50
Gosh if you are just using first fingers of each hand....that's SHARP !!!!
I like 2/3 of left and 1/2 of right (with the Eb/Ab vent). Or a higher one than that but still better is same but using just the first finger of the right hand (instead of 2 and 3).
One that is even higher but STILL better would be first finger of right hand and lowest sidekey (with Eb/Ab vent).
.............Paul Aviles
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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2015-03-25 02:57
Paul Aviles wrote:
> Gosh if you are just using first fingers of each hand....that's
> SHARP !!!!
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but unfortunately it still comes out ~20 cent flat. Basic RT -2-|12-G# is almost 50 cent flat. Perhaps they should try to lip down G#?
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2015-03-25 05:58
Sounds like something amiss with the horn. Rather than lip down G#, which sounds hard to do accurately, a little further detective work might help.
It's hard to imagine just G - especially a normally sharp fingering - being the only problem. When a note is flat, it can mean a tone hole has something partly blocking air flow (especially on the "north side.) Any other intonation problems with the horn, particularly on notes that share part of the fingering?
Like, say D#: RT -23|-2-G# ? or D just below that?
How about G#: RT -2-|-2-G# ? Or the other 10 or more fingerings for G (see woodwind.org chart)? If you spot another problem, it might factor a common cause.
Curious.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-03-25 05:59
Ok, you say "THIS HORN." What is it? Sounds like some weird mismatch with the mouthpiece (vintage horn, Boosey 1010, oehler system?).
Or a mechanical issue. Some pad is being held closed (or open) that should not. Or a leak?
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2015-03-25 14:03
It is a vintage Pruefer and it is mismatched with MPC. The bore measured ~15.2mm (.598") almost as wide as 1010. I doubt there are leaks as she gets a beautiful sound out of it esp long tube, but I will go over when I have a chance.
Horn history: I rebuilt it a couple years back so I am stuck with it now. And as it was good enough to get her in all-state owner (hs girl) is really attached to it and doesn't wanna hear about anything else.
Question to Chris: does 1010 have similar pitch tendencies? how do you go about correcting them? or you just learn to play around it? thnx!
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-03-25 14:48
The Boosey 1010 uses a 'species specific' mouthpiece that has a cylindrical bore (unlike all other mouthpieces that are conical). The Boosey mouthpieces also counter balance this massive extra volume in the bore by being shorter in total length than standard mouthpieces. I don't have any frame of reference for your Pruefer but I'm sure someone on the Board has more experience with it.
..............Paul Aviles
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