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Author: TM
Date: 2010-07-20 06:52
Hi ,
I just checked Vandoren website and they have a new mouthpiece M30 Lyre between M30 and 5rv LYRE.
Anyone tried it? Any comment?
thanks!
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Author: rc004e
Date: 2010-07-20 14:53
I was able to try them at the Vandoren studio in New York. I play the M30 13 now and liked this new version in addition to the M30 D model. David said that they both officially become available nationwide at the upcoming clarinet convention in Austin. The models that I tried worked better with a lighter reed. I used some 3 1/2's and some 3 1/2+'s. I also was able to use a couple of 4's. I think they are worth a try. I am looking forward to trying some more in the future.
RC
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Author: Bob Barnhart ★2017
Date: 2010-07-20 16:51
I picked up on this the other day as well and sent an email to Vandoren to see when/how we might be able to get the M30D/B40D and M30 Lyre. No response yet.
RC:
I play the B40 Lyre and M30 on a Yamaha CSG (which in some sense is a hybrid French/German bore). One of my questions to Vandoren was whether the "D" series could be used on this (or any French-bore) instrument. What were your impressions when trying the M30D in terms of sound, intonation and resistance? Did you try the B40D?
Bob
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Author: rc004e
Date: 2010-07-21 01:54
Hey Bob,
I forgot to try the B40 D, I meant to. The M30 D does work on a French system clarinet. It sticks up a little bit above the barrel. David told me that it is supposed to on the French system instrument. I play Toscas and the M30 D worked just fine. I checked the pitch and it was A=440. For me it offered a feeling of a little more resistance and cover/cushion to the sound versus my current M30 13. I recorded myself on both and they sound very similar. David was kind enough to loan me the M30 D and so I played some rehearsals and concerts on it. It works just fine. I am going for a more old school French sound and found that I can manipulate the results better and more effortlessly on my current M30 13 than I could on the M30 D. However, that being said, there was only one M30 D to try at the studio in New York. I really do want to order a bunch of both and try them some more.
Hope that helps,
RC
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Author: TM
Date: 2010-07-21 04:08
What is D model? Is this another new thing?
Thank you!
TM
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Author: rc004e
Date: 2010-07-21 07:57
The D stands for Deutsch Model. To read more, refer to the link from Vandoern's website: http://www.vandoren.fr/en/germanclarmouthpiece.html
RC
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Author: beejay
Date: 2010-07-22 18:16
I've been using the B40D for several weeks, and like the sound a lot -- it is rounded (timbré) and expressive. However, I also find it too resistant with any reed stronger than a Rue Lepic 2.5. I bought mine in Paris, and I believe it is tuned at 415 -- or at least that's what VD told me. Must check it.
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Author: Bob Barnhart ★2017
Date: 2010-07-24 00:57
RC,
Thanks for the clarification. I've heard nothing from Vandoren yet.Hopefully, these new models will be available from distributors soon.
Bob
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Author: Nennette45
Date: 2010-09-23 02:35
Hello everyone,
I can give you a feed back about M30 Lyre... I have received today my M30 Lyre mouthpiece...
I was a little bit stressful because I have not had the opportunity to try it before...
I played before with V11.1 but I didn't know if it was too used or if I needed to change for more opened mouthpiece but with this mouthpiece, my quality of sound in the upper notes was not well... Also, most of my reed didn't work with it (I play Vandoren 3 traditionnal)... Moreover, I would like to have a serie 13 mouthpiece because my clarinet is very sharp...
That's why I bought M30 Lyre 13 series !
This mouthpiece meets all my expectations : the sound quality and also the confort are really good... I am now able to play with all my reeds and also with a little bit easier reeds (like 3 of V12 or 56 rue Lepic) and without sacrify sound quality... so I think I will use these reeds when I will be tired or if I want to preserve my lips...
Also, my tune is better and on all the notes !
M30 Lyre offers me more opportunities than my old one !
The lonely bad point : it is not available everywhere, that is why I could not try it before !
Post Edited (2010-09-23 02:39)
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Author: beejay
Date: 2010-09-24 23:41
I can't believe I wrote that the B40D is tuned at 415. I wasn't thinking, and of course meant 440. Apologies.
I'm still very happy with the intonation and the tone quality, but it still leaves me breathless on anything harder than a VD 2.5 traditional.
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2010-09-25 01:27
Vandoren has a 13 series internal dimension, and a traditional internal dimension. Other than that, they just have varying tip opening and facing lengths.
So. If you look at their mouthpiece comparison chart, they are free to come out with "a new model" with a new tip opening\facing length. If I were them and saw a lull in business, I would come out with a new model in a tip opening\facing length that wasn't already in the lineup.
I'm not surprised when this occurs, and would not be surprised if a lot of people like the mouthpiece, but would like to point out that it's a matter of one or two swipes on a machine and perhaps not a new innovation.
Nothing against vandoren (I own 6 or 7....enough to not know off hand how many), but we should understand what we're talking about.
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Author: Bob Barnhart ★2017
Date: 2010-09-28 19:05
Last Saturday I had a chance to try an M30 Lyre that a friend bought. As I was interested in whether it might be a back-up to my B40 Lyres (using the same reeds), I tried it with a VD V12 that I had adjusted to about 3.25 on my CSG Bb.
It felt rather like the 5RV Lyre, with similar response, but with a rounder, more M30-like sound. I felt that the tone was a bit more compact than an M30 -- not as spread. It seemed a bit less free, but perhaps having a bit more hold, than the M30. As far as intonation went, it seemed just a bit low, similar to the M30s I've played.
One surprise is that, as others have told me, the M30 Lyre seems to favor a SOFTER reed than the M30, even though it (supposedly) has the same (long) lay as the M30 but a closer facing (1.0135 vs 1.015 mm). Normally I would play a 3.5-4.0 V12 on an M30, but this mouthpiece felt fine with a 3.25-3.5 V12. My friend felt that even a 3.0 was better for him. The M30 Lyre feels to me as though the lay is not really quite as long as the M30, maybe only med-long. This might help to explain its reed preference as well as the sense that it has more hold.
In general I could easily play this mouthpiece, but probably using a shorter barrel as with the M30. I'm not sure I'll bother as the differences between it and the M30 are rather subtle. Several other members of the San Diego Clarinet Society have also tried it and I hear they ARE ordering their own. I expect that this mouthpiece will appeal to those who like the 5RV Lyre but want a rounder/warmer sound, or those who want an M30 with more control/hold.
Bob Barnhart
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Author: KSL
Date: 2010-11-16 03:00
I received my Vandoren M30 Lyre clarinet mouthpiece today from DANSR (on line purchase). I have tried many mouthpieces, including the M13, M13 Lyre, M15, Greg Smith, Gigliotti and the original Buffet. The M30 Lyre is, for me, the best. The tone is full, round, yet flexible. Articulation is wonderful with quick staccato. Very impressive, also, is the response in the altissimo register. Intonation on my Buffet R13 is right on. The M13 Lyre is also very good but it is not as robust and is more suited for chamber music setting. I couldn't be more pleased with the M30 Lyre. The Vandoren V12 3&1/2 strength reed is a good match.
KSL
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Author: hinotehud ★2017
Date: 2010-11-16 11:42
I have played the M30 Lyre since Oct 9. I have played an M30 for several years, bought an M30 D in Austin this summer. I find the M30 Lyre is the best for me. It gives me a darker sound than the M30 but is a little freer blowing than the M30 D. I use the same reeds I played on the M30: V12 -3 1/2. If you like the M30, the Lyre is worth a try. I really like mine.
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Author: TheGreekDon09
Date: 2010-11-20 04:24
If you have the money look at Lomax's Classic series. I found that they play with the same feel and resistance as the Vandoren M30s but offer highly expanded flexibility and control.
Just my thoughts.
Bb
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2014-09-24 23:41
I find the altissimo on the m30 d just too piched in terms of sound..response is fine but I prefer the m30 lyre or the m13 lyre way over it. I think these mouthpieces in the D series are soundwise not very even
David Dow
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2014-09-25 00:53
I can't cope with the M30D that I own. Haven't tried other copies. I need to use reeds at the soft end and I cannot play a piece that requires fast articulation. The differences between M30 and M30 Lyre are very subtle and they work with the same reeds.
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2014-09-25 02:26
I like the M30 myself.
I am a big fan on Jon Manasse's playing and he helped in the design of the mouthpiece.
DRG
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2014-09-25 03:36
Dileep -
Is the M30 what you play on these days? If not, what do you use?
Ken Shaw
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Author: James S
Date: 2014-09-25 03:46
I am looking forward to trying the M30 Lyre out! I also wanted to try out some M30D mouthpieces at ICA but never got the chance :(
James
Owner, James' Clarinet Shop
www.jamesclarinetshop.com
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2014-09-25 22:03
I use the m13lyre for all intents and purposes.. I also love the m30 lyre.
I have come to some roadblocks with m30s...the facing is very long and creates a muted quality.
As for the m30VD or Deutcheland I think that is a problem beast because it resists quite far up towards the top of the reed in a way I think is uncomfortable. There is a timbral shift in the m30vd in the altissimo that is unacceptable as well...so for example..slurs going downward from double high a to the lower clarion register a just above the clef are just unstable. I think though it has a nice sound..but alas that is not everything.
The B40 lyre I think plays nicely with good response across all registers...provide you have the right reed for it! I tend to play only a 3 on that facing...I do however like its beautiful upper register....
It seems Vandoren m series is not for all though...so having choices is by all means very fine for a mouthpiece that clocks in under one hundred dollars
David Dow
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2014-09-27 01:18
TheGreekDon09 wrote:
>If you have the money look at Lomax's Classic series.
Do they also feature a wide tip rail, like the M30?
M30D has a tip rail on steroids.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2014-09-27 02:58
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Do they also feature a wide tip rail, like the M30?
M30D has a tip rail on steroids.
A few minutes with a file will take care of that!
Post Edited (2014-09-27 02:59)
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2014-10-02 04:58
Wide tip rails some feel have a tendency to darken the sound and maybe deaden the response. This is a topic that could be discussed at a different thread. I think the m30 lyre is a much better piece in all regards over the m30 d which sounds nice but just plays in a rather dull way across all registers. I think the idea is laudable..but for more traditional players it is not the answer.
David Dow
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