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 Re: Ligature for soloists?
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2022-08-08 22:02

It would be difficult to show scientifically that certain ligatures tend to speak so many cents under standard tuning at the onset of the tone. Blind testing ligatures with players performing something like the solo from Messiaen Quartet would be a great test, but you have to be an advanced clarinetist to play that excerpt correctly, observing the extreme dynamics.

We're probably on more solid ground making a broad generalization between the quality of the tone likely to come from a Rovner Dark fabric ligature vs. a metal Bonade with vertical ribs over the reed base. The Rovner for most players will tend to filter out the higher, brighter overtone components and the Bonade will tend to allow more of the higher overtones to pass through. This is probably the main difference in the response that Jen experienced going from one to the other.

Some players seem by nature to be able to produce a vibrant, resonant, overtone rich sound, and other players tend to get a more subdued, muted sound. I am of the second category. When I began to play the clarinet people thought next door that I was playing an alto recorder or a wooden flute. I had to work hard to add vibrancy by choice of mouthpiece, reed and ligature (and clarinet). Other players may sound more like they are playing a noisy kazoo, and they need to tone down the overtone mass, which borders on stridency. They might do very well playing a Jim Pyne mouthpiece or one of the darkest Kuckmeiers, When I play those my tone is so dark, it disappears like an item lost in the corner of an unlit closet. That old Socratic dictum, "know thyself" is always the starting point for a clarinetist. Gear has to fit the self or even better, has to compliment the part of the performing artist that is actually conveyed to the listener. I doubt that beyond really pronounced differences between ligature designs, like the ones between the dark Rovner and the metal Bonade, that anyone can predict how a given ligature will sound or how it will affect pitch. Given physiological and conceptual differences, any player must be prepared to experience the unexpected when trying a new ligature. Also, homo sapiens is a very ornery species, much tangled up in presumption and uncritical beliefs. This is why placebos can produce effects even in clinical trials. If you believe cherry juice cleans out the arteries, you may get a positive response not from the juice but from the belief itself. No doubt, ligatures are not exempt from this hard to explain fate.



Post Edited (2022-08-09 00:48)

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