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 Re: Klose turn
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2015-04-17 22:09

There's no physiological need in any of the spots depicted to take a breath, small or large. If it means anything, it must be expressive. However, to modern ears - mine, at least - no particular additional expression seems terribly enlightening in those places either.

Judging from the Klose method vol II I have, Klose was not shy about breath marks, and clearly he intended many of them as expressive breaks, not necessary respiration.

I just spent some time at IMSLP looking at others of Klose's compositions. It wasn't an exhaustive search; I quickly scanned around a dozen randomly selected works looking for gruppettos. I didn't see any with a comma in them. I did see written out probably every variety of turn that Klose could imagine - 3-note, 4-note, 5, 6, 7 etc, inverted variants, turns with imbedded trills, etc.
His music is often thickly ornamented. It looks like silly stuff.

I also searched definitions and varieties of gruppettos. I found nothing about commas.

Klose could well have intended something specific from the commas, but he should have documented it. It's a curiosity, but one apparently confined to a single minor composer.

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