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 Re: Lester Young on clarinet
Author: John Morton 
Date:   2014-05-13 19:48

Eric, I take your point that my statement was misleading and insufficiently nuanced. The strains of jazz history are quite detailed, and are not well described by "broad strokes". First person accounts of the early days depict a variety of cultural streams in NO, a diversity which was accompanied by mutual respect.

I was trying to make a distinction between the players' formative years and their later careers in the greater world of professional jazz. My impression is that integrated bands were uncommon before the mid-twenties, and these players grew up in a world that acknowledged cultural identities. This worked to the disadvantage of some groups, but did not prevent learning and influence across cultural and racial lines. Human beings tend to set up a pecking order, not a happy thing, but real.

So ... I do not maintain that the traditions are "perfectly segregated", a simplistic view. What I do say is that they were fairly distinct in the early days, and their adherents self-identified. The players who became professionals spread the styles that nurtured them, and became influences on others. Lessons from Franz Schoepp or whoever did not erase their backgrounds. But 100 years on, Evan Christopher can still relate to a "Creole tradition", and the Tio students were definitely a vehicle for that inheritance.

John
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