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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2013-12-28 22:34
Dieter Klöcker was a fine clarinetist who discovered many previously unknown pieces for clarinet and did an incredible amount of recording. I don't always enjoy some aspects of his playing, but I do find that he had something special in his sound. Does anybody know what equipment he used? Somehow it sounds closer to an Ottensteiner clarinet to me than a Wurlitzer.
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Author: MarlboroughMan
Date: 2013-12-29 04:07
Liquorice--
Luigi Magistrelli now owns the instruments of Dieter Klöcker--
and I believe he's already released some recordings on them (he has definitely
recorded on them--sent me some recordings a few years back--I can find the
repertoire if you're interested).
They are a Warschewski in B flat and Oehler in A. I don't know the years, but
Luigi might be able to tell you. I agree: Klöcker got something special out of
them.
Eric
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The Jazz Clarinet
http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/
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Author: MarlboroughMan
Date: 2013-12-29 04:12
Just double checked my recordings: Luigi recorded the Brahms Sonatas and trio
on Klöcker's clarinets back c.2010. So if you check those recordings out, you
can hear the horns played by another clarinetist. According to Luigi,
they are the most recorded clarinets in history (which is a fascinating thing to think
about--though I'd like to see the stats on that one.)
Eric
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The Jazz Clarinet
http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/
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Author: donald
Date: 2013-12-29 05:26
Is it correct that Herr Kloecker got those instruments from HIS teacher? I seem to recall reading this in an interview with him published in The Clarinet some years ago.
dn
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Author: donald
Date: 2013-12-29 03:42
I'm not sure why you mention Jacques Lancelot, you're obviously too clever for me, sorry.
I was however inspired to look through my (not in chronological order) pile of The Clarinet magazines, and by some miracle the very first one I picked up had the DK interview from 1996.
This interview confirms that the Warschewsky clarinets he played were given to him by Karl Kroll (father of Oskar Kroll, so they are pretty darn old). Kroll was actually given a pair of Warschewsky clarinets by Czar Romanov when he was principal clarinet in the orchestra of St Petersburg, though it would appear (from the wording of the translation) that the instruments passed on to Kloecker are not the ones gifted by the Czar.
dn
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-12-29 19:24
donald -
Jacques Lancelot is named as Dieter Klöcker's principal teacher in the bio I linked to. It struck me as odd, because there could be no more different players than those two, but the statement appears in many Klöcker bios, probably all based on the same source.
What does the 1966 article say?
I think I remember Heinrich Gueser mentioned in Klöcker's background, but I may be wrong. Gueser was a wonderful player, but nothing has been reissued, probably because everything is in mono and mostly from 78s.
Ken Shaw
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Author: donald
Date: 2013-12-29 22:16
My eyes are getting old, but i can see no reference whatsoever to Lancelot in that bio. Kloecker studied with Kroll and Jost Michaels, this is mentioned in both the interview in The Clarinet and in the bio you posted.
d
Ken- you've either read a different bio from the one you've posted, or are confusing Jost Michaels with Lancelot. No big deal, but if you read the bio you attached you'll understand my prior post...
Meanwhile- i took time to read the interview, and he claims Kroll as his main influence re style/tone etc
Post Edited (2013-12-30 08:37)
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Author: Fraeulein Klarinette
Date: 2014-01-05 09:31
Indeed, Kloecker got a very special sound out of those clarinets. If I remember correctly, his Oehler is a very old instrument made around 1910s - an earlier model that doesn't have low E and F correction key. You can notice that his low E and F are consistently low in most of his recordings before the 2000s. He later had Leitner & Kraus added that key which he said was essential for intonation.
It's interesting to note that despite his busy solo and teaching careers, he managed to make his own reeds. He said he would do the initial cut and then leave them for a year before any further work, so the reeds would be "stablized" by then. His mouthpiece is also very interesting, too: a wooden one (from Oehler?) with a very closed and very, very long facing.
Geuser was a legend - a wonderful player as well as an excellent teacher (Karl Leister is one of his students at the Hochschule!). Geuser's recording of Weber and Mozart Concertos have been reissued on CDs but I find the original LPs have a much better sound. His earlier recordings like Brahms and Weber Quintet and Grand Duo with Gerald Morre are my favourites. His solo in Dances of Galanta with Ferenc Fricsay is the best I have every heard. He played a set of clarinets made by Klobe - it's actually more Viennese than German with Schmidt-Klobe system (slightly different fingerings and a wider bore than Oehler-system).
Jost Michaels was another legend. In addition to being an excellent clarinetist, he was also a wonderful concert pianist, pedagogue and scholar with numerous publications (e.g. a book on Brahms's clarinet music and the famous book on fingering technique). From what I recall he also held a professorship in piano and used to accompany his clarinet students in lessons! His Brahms and Mozart recordings have also been reissued on CDs.
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Author: JKL
Date: 2014-01-05 15:14
"an earlier model that doesn't have low E and F correction key."
As far as I know, Oskar Oehler himself didn´t build clarinets with E/F correction, or only in his latest period, when his successor Josef Rouschil was going to take over the company (1936/37).
Dieter Klöcker had to overcome two periods of blindness, caused by malnutrition after the war. - Once he said in an interview: "The two Brahms sonatas often made me sad. I have avoided it."
Source:
http://www.badische-zeitung.de/klassik-2/man-muss-unverwechselbar-werden--44139905.html
JKL
Post Edited (2014-01-05 15:27)
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