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 Which one to keep?? Selmer Signet Special vs Old?? Buffet Crampon H. Bettony LP
Author: moonshine30 
Date:   2010-01-17 05:57
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Hi there!! I'm a newbie to posting on this forum. I come here for research info all the time though. Great place to find clarinet info. Here goes:

I have to clarinets I just purchased for $50 each from local pawn shops.

1. Selmer Signet Special with original signet case. Serial number 75,483, which dates it to 1969ish according to clarinetperfection.com??

Looks to be nothing wrong with it other than needs about 10 give or take pads replaced and needs to be adjusted. Can't play more than 1 or 2 notes right now, everything else squaks. Good corks, no cracks, good condition case. The selmer special usa logo is on the top joint, says selmer usa on bottom joint, says selmer special usa on bell, and says nothing on the barrel.

2. Buffect Crampon and Cie, Paris, Made in Paris, LP (low pitch), H. Bettoney, Boston Mass. Serial number P849

Here is the description of the logo on the clarienet.
There is a U shaped symbol above the oval.
In the oval is says Buffet Crampon
Underneath that it says Paris.
Under the oval is the letters BC.
Then under that it says Made in France
Under that it says LP
Under that is says H. Bettoney
Under that is says Boston, Mass.

At first glance, obviously one would think this would be a better instrument, but it has quite a few condition issues. I have attached pictures which hopefully are clear enough to show the damage.

Here is a description of all of the damage:

The barrel is a Selmer Paris barrel and has a crack running from one band to the other band and the crack does go all the way through.

The top body piece is where all of the the main conditon problems are. Please refer to pictures mroe than my descriptions, as I don't know if I have all of the terminology right.

One the back side of the top body where the wrap around register key is, the two posts that hold on the rester key look like they have been remounted. And there is a crack that runs from about 2 inches goint south from the lower register key post all the way down to the F hole. The same crack starts again from the top post of the register key and goes all the way to the cork and stops there. The crack is all the way through the body for most of that length, but it looks like there are 4 pins that have been put in, as I can see the wood plugs.

Now on the very opposite side of the crack listed above on the top body, there is another crack that runs from the joint all the way to the first hole of the set of 4 side keys(that would be the longest of the set of 4 side keys), and then the crack jogs from that first hole over to the second lower side key hole. This crack as well goes all the way through. There are 3 pins that I can see that have been put in.

The lower body is in excellent condition and there is nothing wrong with it.

The bell has no cracks in it, but has a big chunk missing from the upper side where the bottom of the bell meets the bell ring. It doesn'tg go through to the underside of the bell wood though.

Thats it!!

Sorry for the horribly long winded email, I just figured if I covered all my info the first time, everyone would have all the info.

I only want to keep one of these clarinets. Or do people think I should keep both?? The selmer special I can't return and the buffet crampon I can return. Which one is better taking into consideration the conditions and brands of these two instruments. Thanks!!
Jennifer




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moonshine30 2010-01-17 05:57 
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moonshine30 2010-01-17 05:59 
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moonshine30 2010-01-17 06:00 
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moonshine30 2010-01-17 06:04 
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moonshine30 2010-01-17 06:08 
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Ken Shaw 2010-01-17 14:44 
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Molloy 2010-01-17 15:12 
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USFBassClarinet 2010-01-17 16:22 
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Lelia Loban 2010-01-17 16:56 
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moonshine30 2010-01-18 14:17 
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Ken Shaw 2010-01-18 16:26 
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Lelia Loban 2010-01-18 19:21 
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stevesklar 2010-01-18 22:44 
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Lelia Loban 2010-01-19 15:51 
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Tony F 2010-01-20 09:27 
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Franklin Liao 2010-01-20 10:42 
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Lelia Loban 2010-01-20 12:59 
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Ken Shaw 2010-01-20 16:10 


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