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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-02-15 19:03
Hi Everyone,
Was wondering what are the best clarinet studios over the pond in the US. I'm considering taking some time away from the UK and would like some input into studios and teachers that cater for advanced performance that I could apply for.
I quite like the idea of studying in the States for at least a year so any advice would be most welcome.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2009-02-15 20:02
It depends what you want, for orchestral studies Yehuda Gilad at USC is the hot teacher at the moment.
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-02-15 20:16
Sylvain,
probably a bit of everything really, though I have a quite a bit of professional experience in orchestral, bamber and solo playing. Something that might teach me something new perhaps.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: crnichols
Date: 2009-02-15 20:56
I'd look at Indiana and the various schools in New York. There's a great opportunity for cross pollenation from Howard Klug, James Campbell and Eli Eban at Indiana. Also, Eric Hoeprich teaches early clarinet there if you're interested in that.
For New York, based on your resume, you'd probably want to check out Charles Neidich at any of the places he teaches. He has his hand in just about everything!
Christopher Nichols, D.M.A.
Assistant Professor of Clarinet
University of Delaware
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-02-15 21:34
Christopher,
Thanks for your reply. I have wondered what it would be like to have lessons with Charles Neidich. I meet him at the Geneva Competition and he said some nice things about my playing, even though I had a total memory lapse in the Nielsen.
Eric would also be interesting, we met when I was doing my undergrad and he coached me in a performance I was going to give of Fasch's Chalumeau Concerto that night. Very nice man.
Do you think Charles Neidich would be a good idea?
Peter Cigleris
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Author: crnichols
Date: 2009-02-15 22:34
Based on your previous experience and ambitions, he'd be the most likely match I can muster in this country as far as a total package goes. There are lots of great clarinet players here, but as far as true versatility goes he's pretty unparalleled. Based on the success of his current and former students, he seems very well connected, which is definitely a plus.
Christopher Nichols, D.M.A.
Assistant Professor of Clarinet
University of Delaware
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Author: mrn
Date: 2009-02-16 00:19
U. of Cincinnati-College Conservatory (where Richie Hawley teaches) is supposed to be very good. My clarinet stand-mate in high school went there. I'm sure somebody else on the board has been there and can tell you more, though, especially about post-graduate studies.
When I was looking into pursuing a music degree some years ago, Larry Combs was strongly recommended to me as a good teacher (by someone whose opinion I trust). He's supposed to be a really, really nice guy, too. I think he'd be a neat guy to take from if you're looking to try something different because he's kind of done it all--orchestra, chamber, solo, and jazz. He teaches at DePaul University (in Chicago, of course).
If you're looking for a warmer climate, we have some good clarinet professors here in Texas, too. I've heard good things about Michael Webster at Rice (Houston), Richard MacDowell at UT (Austin) [I played for him once years ago--he seemed like a really nice guy to me], and Paul Garner at SMU (Dallas) [Paul Garner's supposed to be strong in orchestral studies, or so I've heard].
Post Edited (2009-02-16 00:53)
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2009-02-16 04:27
Peter:
Given your already pretty amazing resume, I think New York sounds like the best fit for you. More than a clarinet studio it is probably the most stimulating environment you'll find in this country, you would be exposed not only to a great teacher (there are many) but also many immensely talented musicians to collaborate with. With the right mind set and friends, you could play a period instrument show in the morning, an afternoon contemporary chamber gig and a broadway show in the evening...
You could also take a few lessons with David Shifrin at Yale (not too far), he is an excellent teacher.
Downside is cost of living but probably a worthy investment if you plan to be there for a year.
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: Ryder
Date: 2009-02-16 05:38
If you are planning to settle in one place during your stay in the states, New York City is probably the place to be as you can tell from previous posts. If however you plan to travel around the country during that time, you may want to stop in San Antonio, Texas and work with Ilya Shterenberg at UTSA. Although our arts are somewhat lacking in the city, I have heard many, many great things about Ilya and from meeting him in person on several occasions, he is a very nice, humble man. His student all seem to be very fond of him. He's the principle in the San Antonio Symphony, so needless to say I've heard his playing many, many times. In my opinion, he is one of the best orchestral clarinetists of today. I cannot say much about his solo work because I have had little opportunity to hear him play much solo literature.
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Ryder Naymik
San Antonio, Texas
"We pracice the way we want to perform, that way when we perform it's just like we practiced"
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Author: donald
Date: 2009-02-16 08:49
Elsa Ludwig-Verdehr
retired now? find out where she lives and camp on her front lawn until she gives you lessons.
dn
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Author: frank
Date: 2009-02-17 00:35
Hi Peter,
Why not just listen to recordings/concerts? Other than making a professional connection to help get you a job, why are you needing lessons? My advice would be to break free from the student mentality and forge your own path. You gotta do it sometime! I see way too many professionals still think they need lessons for whatever reason. Remember, there are pros, and then there are artists. A pro pushes buttons and an artist...well...creates art! One of the reasons I refuse to go to a silly clarinet festival or involve myself in anything that has to do with a particular instrument is because of the "forever student" types. It angers and saddens me, as music should not be about a wrote, mechanical "he/she said do it this way" mentality. Music should be a very personal thing and once a certain level is attained, artistry and independence MUST prevail over being a perennial student.
Hope this helps push you over the hump.
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2009-02-17 01:21
I agree with many of the above posts. You are BOUND to find someone in New York who is both well respected, and that you would enjoy working with.
Indiana would also be worth checking out. I've played for all three professors there at one time or another during my undergrad, and they are all great (and all different).
University of Florida with Mitchell Estrin is supposed to be great as well. He plays with NY quite often. A taste of NY without the incredible expense of living there!
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Author: hinotehud ★2017
Date: 2009-02-18 01:44
Donald,
Just and update on Elsa Verdehr. She still teaches part time at Michigan State University, does master classes and plays with the Verdehr Trio.
Keith Hudson
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Author: David89
Date: 2009-02-18 06:30
I agree with Ryder; Mr.Shterenberg is really great Clarinetist,and teacher.
Though when I attended UTSA I took lessons with Mr. Larry Mentzer, but I've heard alot of good things from him by his students.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-02-18 20:17
Hi Guys,
Thanks for your responses. I get the impression the getting in touch with Charles Neidich might be a good thing so i'll contact Julliard and she what they say.
Frank, I appreciate your sentiments but I would be looking at this as a sort of professional development. I'm sure someone like Charles would be able to show me some new things. I do feel that you are always learning as muscian regardless of wether your a professional or not. I do forge my own path as an artist and perhaps I might be able to add something new to the scene in the US.
Thanks again to all that have responded.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: brycon
Date: 2009-02-18 23:08
Peter, send me an email with any questions you may have. I will be graduating this year from Juilliard, and Charles Neidich is my teacher.
Good luck with your search!
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Author: mrn
Date: 2009-02-18 23:13
frank wrote:
<<It angers and saddens me, as music should not be about a wrote, mechanical "he/she said do it this way" mentality.>>
I'm no fan of "Legendary Teacher Syndrome," either, but I think it's important to make a distinction between studying with someone to become exposed to new ideas (which is what Peter is talking about) and trying to emulate a particular teacher or adopting their teachings in an uncritical way, as if they were "holy doctrine."
Becoming familiar with the ideas of others--including ideas you dislike or disagree with--is an important part of "forging your own path." This is true whether you're talking about music or the visual arts, or even more mundane subjects like law or computer programming.
Here's an example of what I mean by this: The 20th century neo-classical composers forged their style by *rejecting* the "mushiness" of the then-prevalent romantic style, *reviving* 18th century (baroque and classical) ideas about form and structure, *abandoning* many of the characteristics of common-practice harmony (while, to varying degrees, still preserving some of its most essential qualities, such as the basic notion of a tonal center and some fundamental voice-leading principles), while also *borrowing* modal ideas (and other "non-common-practice" influences) from medieval music and folk sources.
It was familiarity with those previous styles that gave innovators like Stravinsky and Hindemith a *context* in which to develop their own ideas. To that end, it is even helpful to become familiar with ideas you dislike and ultimately reject, because the insight you gain from the experience may help you to better define your own ideas as a rejection of those ideas (or you may find aspects you like and can adopt, while rejecting other aspects you don't like--nothing is ever black and white).
In a lot of cases, you may have heard something or have picked up on some piece of knowledge somewhere secondhand (like the "you shoulds" you often read here on the BBoard), but without further study with "the source" of the information, you won't know the how or the why that gave rise to the supposed "should" in the first place. Sometimes an idea that sounds very prescriptive in nature when you hear it secondhand becomes much less so when you go back to the source and hear that person say it in context. And sometimes when you hear the real reason behind something that once sounded like a "sine qua non," you may simply decide to reject the idea in the end because the reason for doing it either doesn't apply to you or is something you disagree with. In any case, if you don't explore the matter further, you'll be less in a position to come to your own informed opinion.
An F, Ab, and Db played together in isolation is just a plain old major chord (in first inversion). Throw it into a piece in C Major, though, and, as if by magic, it's a Neapolitan 6th. Context is everything in music.
But I also think the same can be said in any field that involves some level of creative thinking, however minimal--exposure to new and different ideas (whether good or bad in themselves) is by and large a *good* thing. Creativity demands context.
And in Peter's case, I'm going to bet that not even Charles Neidich is going to be able to talk him into giving up his Peter Eatons! (and that's as it should be, I should add)
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Author: mrn
Date: 2009-02-19 00:27
By the way, I thought I'd post a link to a paper I found on the Internet one day about several different American clarinet studios--not specifically in response to Peter's question (indeed, it may be of little or no value to someone in his position), but really just "because it's there" and does contain some interesting information about some prominent teachers, their backgrounds, and their philosophies.
I don't know how useful or interesting the pedagogical stuff is, but the interviews with the various clarinet professors where they talk about their backgrounds and philosophies might be interesting to somebody, especially to someone who's trying to make sense out of all the names you read on here (which is me, sometimes). Several of the teachers mentioned above are interviewed in here (although not Charlie Neidich, unfortunately).
http://etd.lib.fsu.edu/theses/available/etd-11042005-165943/unrestricted/DeesTreatise.pdf
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Author: graham
Date: 2009-02-19 10:36
Peter: Is there an American player you admire which leads you to think that they might have something to offer?
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Author: Sean.Perrin
Date: 2009-02-21 19:06
<Frank wrote:>
> Why not just listen to recordings/concerts? Other than making a professional connection to help get you a job, why are you needing lessons? My advice would be to break free from the student mentality and forge your own path. You gotta do it sometime! I see way too many professionals still think they need lessons for whatever reason. Remember, there are pros, and then there are artists. A pro pushes buttons and an artist...well...creates art! One of the reasons I refuse to go to a silly clarinet festival or involve myself in anything that has to do with a particular instrument is because of the "forever student" types. It angers and saddens me, as music should not be about a wrote, mechanical "he/she said do it this way" mentality. Music should be a very personal thing and once a certain level is attained, artistry and independence MUST prevail over being a perennial student.
</Frank>
I don't know, I do see your point (and agree, actually). But travelling to NYC to study with new teachers and collaborate with new people seems like a great idea to me. Private lessons are a good way of getting "in" to the scene, I'd say... much better tan getting an apartment and waiting to meet other musicians, it may not happen... there are 20 million people in the NY metro.
As for listening to recordings, it's a great idea but it doesn't make up for real life experience.
Founder and host of the Clarineat Podcast: http://www.clarineat.com
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-02-22 16:35
Graham,
Not really, I'm more interested in broadening my horizons. I'm not looking to change anything technically as I don't think there is anything wrong with that side of my playing. People that I have spoken to have said Charles Neidich would be the best because he is interested in the music and not what clarinet and reeds etc that you play on. I wouldn't change anyway, if I was going to play Buffet or any other French bore instrument I would have changed a long time ago.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: MW
Date: 2009-02-23 19:06
Does anyone have contact information for Eric Hoeprich or Charles Neidich? I would love to speak with them about my thesis research but can't find their emails so far.
Thanks, ~MW
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2009-02-23 19:14
MW wrote:
> Does anyone have contact information for Eric Hoeprich or
> Charles Neidich? I would love to speak with them about my
> thesis research but can't find their emails so far.
The last published address for Eric was EricHoeprich@compuserve.com
. I don't know if it is still active.
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Author: HudsonAD
Date: 2009-03-05 18:52
Brycon -
I am about to start applying to graduate schools next fall, and if you study with Neidich I would love to ask you some questions! I didn't see your email listed under your name, but feel free to email me if you wouldn't mind answering.
Thanks,
Andy
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Author: brycon
Date: 2009-03-05 19:39
Andy, I don't see your email either, but I have updated my profile with contact info. Feel free to email me with any questions.
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Author: KV
Date: 2009-03-06 02:27
In the midwest I would recommend Paul Parker. He lives in Omaha and has performed, composed and taught for years. He has great credentials. I took piano from him for a couple of years and has a studio in his home. His students are all award winners. He is elderly and an absolute perfectionist. He was the pianist for the Osmonds. (I can't open 2 windows at once or I would get all his credentials for you) You can research them yourself--clarinet and piano are his specialities.
kimvawter72@cox.net
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