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 Re: Problems with intonation in Wurlitzer Reform Boehm
Author: Liquorice 
Date:   2008-05-27 06:51

Tom wrote: "What I did dismiss was that this sharpness would have detracted from his performance"

I guess that's where we differ, because for me this sharpness did somewhat distract from an otherwise excellent performance.

This orchestra is playing at A=442. If Mr Fuchs was 2 cents sharp on your tuner at A=444, then I guess he must have been about 7 cents sharp at A=442. But, as you and Menedez have pointed out, being in tune on an electronic tuner doesn't mean you're in tune. In fact, as this B is the major third of a G major chord (E major at concert pitch) it should be tuned considerably LOWER than your electronic tuner. For a really pure major 3rd at A=442 I would say that Mr Fuchs would (based on your measurements) be about 20 cents too sharp. But perhaps he thinks it shoudn't be tuned that low, and sees it as a leading note which he feels should be tuned higher. Who knows? In any case, to my EAR this note is unnaceptably sharp. And as the other notes in that register are often sharp during the performance, I would conclude that it was the inherent intonation problems against which Mr Fuchs was struggling which account for this sharpness.

Tow wrote: "Also, as someone pointed out, Fuchs is not playing on a Wurlitzer RB clarinet, but on a full Ohler system. Thus, it is not really a valid point of comparison since our discussion is about Wurlitzer RB clarinets and not Ohler system."

Good point. It also means that your link was actually irrelevant to this thread, because it has been my experience that the Wurlitzer RB instruments sound quite different from their German system instruments. Although I must say that I have heard quite a lot of German system players who are also sharp in this register, so the German system Wurlitzers probably have a similar intonation problem here.

Tom- I agree that this thread has been interesting and informative, and I've found it especially interesting to read about your extensive experience with RB instruments. I do have the feeling that, because you love the sound of these instruments, you understate the intonation problems that they have. You've come up with all kinds of interesting theories about upper partials and you say that the human ear tolerates sharpness better than flatness, but I don't see these as valid reasons to play sharp!

I have spent some time trying to play Wurlitzer RB instruments and found these and other tuning issues to be prohibitive. And it's not because I voice every note like I'm playing a Buffet. I play many other kinds of clarinets in any case, and I see that other professionals who play Wurlitzer have these same intonation issues. If you're in love with the Wurlitzer RB sound then you're going to have to work extra hard to play these notes in tune. It is possible though, so good luck!
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