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Author: Julian ibiza
Date: 2024-09-21 09:56
Wow!!!🤩
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Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853
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Author: JTJC
Date: 2024-09-21 14:48
The 13 year Baptiste has more control of everything than anyone else on YouTube I've seen performing this piece . Presumably taught by his grandad Frank? He makes a great sound on that B40 Lyre.
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Author: jim sclater
Date: 2024-09-21 17:15
This is a miraculous combination of talent and hard work. I hope many young clarinetists will see this and be inspired to give their best efforts toward their music. I have always believed that some people are born to play certain instruments. This video does nothing to convince me otherwise. Thanks for posting this astounding performance by M. Amet.
jsclater@comcast.net
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2024-12-28 09:59
oh yeah. a 13 year old with a buffet rc prestige. very inspirational... what a joke
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-12-28 22:45
ClarinetGod wrote:
> oh yeah. a 13 year old with a buffet rc prestige. very
> inspirational... what a joke
I do not think RC Prestige has much to do with his ability to control the instrument.
IMHO, he would sound very nice on an E11 too.
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2024-12-29 00:44
Then why doesnt he use an e11.
it's like saying how a 10th grader who made one of the top 4 chairs at texas 6a all-state on a $9k backun moba with golden plated keys is very inspirational. i've seen it happen. very annoying
Post Edited (2024-12-29 01:52)
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Author: kdk
Date: 2024-12-29 03:34
ClarinetGod wrote:
> Then why doesnt he use an e11.
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> it's like saying how a 10th grader who made one of the top 4
> chairs at texas 6a all-state on a $9k backun moba with golden
> plated keys is very inspirational. i've seen it happen. very
> annoying
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I guess he doesn't use an E11 because he has an RC Prestige. That he plays that way is inspirational - has nothing to do with the instrument he's using.
Karl
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2024-12-29 03:50
he got to that level because of the massive support he got. hardly inspirational
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-12-29 04:40
ClarinetGod wrote:
> he got to that level because of the massive support he got.
> hardly inspirational
He got the support because he earned it.
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2024-12-29 05:22
i'm sure a 13 year old kid deserved having a pro clarinetist as his uncle/relative and a buffet rc prestige. i had nothing in high school
i knew a 9th grader with a backun moba and he was one of the most arrogant people i've ever met
Post Edited (2024-12-29 05:23)
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Author: donald
Date: 2024-12-29 06:48
Yep and I played the Mozart concerto on a Buescher Aristocrat with an O'brien crystal mouthpiece, and didn't have a halfway decent clarinet teacher until I was 15.... but you know what? I'm not going to get all bitter about it, if someone else has the support that I didn't have then good for them.
btw
I was able to buy a pair of 2nd hand cracked Buffet S1s aged 15 because I did 3 paper runs in the morning before school. It didn't suddenly transform me into a better player, something I noted at the time.
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Author: ruben
Date: 2024-12-29 11:17
There have always been violin and piano prodigies; fewer clarinet prodigies because playing a wind instrument requires considerable physical strength. This child is certainly prodigious.
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: SecondTry
Date: 2024-12-29 17:24
Yes ClarinetGod, many factors go into what makes for a talented player, particularly at a young age: some of which, I'll admit not particularly fair.
Access to great instruments and mentors certainly gives one a leg up, but it remains the case that people with all this access are by no means guaranteed to be successful and many not afforded such access rise to the occasion despite it.
In both cases, the absence and presence of success is most about the hard work (or lack thereof) that makes us the best versions of ourselves that we can be (or doesn't.)
Post Edited (2024-12-29 17:25)
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Author: symphony1010
Date: 2024-12-29 18:24
Well, ClarinetGod - just keep digging!
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Author: concertmaster3
Date: 2024-12-30 10:10
It's an odd choice to attack this kid because of his access to a nice clarinet. But, having a nice clarinet doesn't make him a great player. Give an average 13 year old a nice clarinet, and they'll sound no different from their previous clarinet, as long as it was setup properly. BUT, give a talented player their choice of instruments, and they'll have an easier time playing how they want to play.
The difference in support is not something to complain about in this case. While not all young musicians have this level of support, there's no reason to "attack" those who do. But support without hard work doesn't give you results. I've had students who had plenty of parental support in their music endeavors, but if the student wasn't serious about practicing and performing, no manner of good instrument, support, or elsewise is going to render the results that he has.
If you are angry at not having that support, the people to talk to are those that didn't give you that support in the beginning. Maybe it was an economic issue, maybe it was a "value" issue (people not valuing the arts in general), or some other outside issue. Either way, it isn't Baptiste's fault that he has the support.
Ron Ford
Woodwind Specialist
Performer/Teacher/Arranger
http://www.RonFordMusic.com
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2024-12-30 12:06
I'm attacking the people who praise him despite him having all of the support in the world. Those same people would treat those who aren't as successful with much fewer resources with disdain.
If the kid was a dick about it, then I'd attack him.
Post Edited (2024-12-30 12:36)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2024-12-30 23:37
The DOTW (or more like COTW) award goes to ClarinetGod.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-12-31 00:43
No clarinet is going to replace talent. Otherwise, we would have many more excellent players.
Unfortunately, no amount of hard work and time invested in practicing would replace it either.
The boy is gifted. His nice clarinet, support, etc. is secondary to the talent he got.
Crying over not having something in life is not helping. Get over it and move on- this can be hard to absorb...
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2024-12-31 01:07
Resources = successful?
Doesn't hurt (if I wanted to be an actor I'd want a successful actor as a parent) but ...
Without or with little talent it doesn't help in the long run.
See Sofia Coppola in the Godfather. She was only slightly below average in a sea of greats. Name didn't help much except to get her on the cast.
BTW - got anything better to do besides attack?
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2024-12-31 02:31
ClarinetGod, I'm trying really, really hard to understand your last post.
Are you actually saying that we should not celebrate the accomplishments of a truly gifted child prodigy? To me, this is just human nature. We applaud the gold medal winners at the Olympics, however, I've never heard anyone boo with disdain those who never made it to the medal stage.
You wrote: "Those same people would treat those who aren't as successful with much fewer resources with disdain." Excuse me? I have never experienced this, however it appears that you have. Would you do an old man (me) a favor and give me a few examples of this disdainful behavior?
Thanks.
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2024-12-31 03:31
Give a musically untalented, unmotivated, uninterested kid a $20,000 clarinet and the best instruction/access humanly possible, and what you end up with is a musically untalented, unmotivated, uninterested kid holding an expensive stick.
You don't end up with Baptiste Amet.
Life ain't fair...one of the first and most important lessons we learn early in life.
Fuzzy
;^)>>>
P.S. For the purposes of this thread, I hope no one likes Mozart.
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2024-12-31 04:26
Fuzzy wrote:
"Give a musically untalented, unmotivated, uninterested kid a $20,000 clarinet and the best instruction/access humanly possible, and what you end up with is a musically untalented, unmotivated, uninterested kid holding an expensive stick.
You don't end up with Baptiste Amet.
Life ain't fair...one of the first and most important lessons we learn early in life."
AMEN!
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-12-31 06:56
Dan Shusta wrote:
> AMEN!
You meant "AMET!", right?
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2024-12-31 07:27
"AMEN! to Fuzzy" IMHO, Fuzzy's comment really hit the nail squarely on the head!
and
AMEN! to AMET!
A national and an international treasure!
p.s. And to think that he didn't use a highly customized, boutique mouthpiece!
Post Edited (2024-12-31 12:28)
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2024-12-31 11:19
Are you sure your hero is gifted even without the pro clarinetist uncle and Buffet RC Prestige?
"Give a musically untalented, unmotivated, uninterested kid a $20,000 clarinet and the best instruction/access humanly possible, and what you end up with is a musically untalented, unmotivated, uninterested kid holding an expensive stick.
You don't end up with Baptiste Amet.
Life ain't fair...one of the first and most important lessons we learn early in life."
Well duh. If the kid is uninterested and unmotivated, he's not going to be as good. That's common sense. I'm talking about the people who are motivated.
"See Sofia Coppola in the Godfather. She was only slightly below average in a sea of greats. Name didn't help much except to get her on the cast."
I'm not sure how a baby in a movie is comparable to a 13 year old who has been training with his pro clarinetist relative.
Post Edited (2024-12-31 11:30)
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Author: RBlack
Date: 2024-12-31 20:34
Complex argument. It’s definitely great to be given every resource needed to be successful. John Bruce Yeh I think is a great example of someone who was never held back by lack of education etc, and had a great support system. Whether he would have been as successful without that, who knows.
I honestly wish that you were given a $20,000 clarinet (which an RC Prt is no, by the way) as a child, because I guarantee it’s not as magical as you imagine. But I’m not gonna argue with you, since you’ve made up your mind.
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2024-12-31 21:36
I wish that I had a $20k clarinet too. I would have made All-State first chair 4 years in a row.
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Author: symphony1010
Date: 2024-12-31 23:43
You will believe what you want to believe but I can only see some form of misplaced ideas and jealousy.
Prodigies abound and it’s best to just get used to it. Your comments do not reflect well on your own character.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2024-12-31 23:45
ClarinetGod - "I wish that I had a $20k clarinet too. I would have made All-State first chair 4 years in a row."
And how exactly would a $20k clarinet have guaranteed that?
I've seen many players with all the gear and no idea.
And besides, an RC Prestige isn't $20k - they're not even $10k.
They're much nearer $5k:
https://www.howarthlondon.com/product/rc-prestige-bb-clarinet/
Amazing that within just seven posts - all of which are in this thread alone, you've made a complete and utter bell-end of yourself.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2025-01-01 00:27)
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Author: donald
Date: 2025-01-01 01:51
"I wish that I had a $20k clarinet too. I would have made All-State first chair 4 years in a row." this statement gives the whole thing away as trolling, NO ONE is that idiotic.
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Author: jim sclater
Date: 2025-01-01 03:43
I feel compelled to offer my thanks to the kind responders who tried to talk some sense into "ClarinetGod." Sadly, it doesn't seem to have done much good.
jsclater@comcast.net
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2025-01-01 03:54
Sometimes you have to admit some things are a lost cause and just let them be.
This is one of those times.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2025-01-01 05:18
Worshipping a spoiled 13 year old is idiotic.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2025-01-01 05:27
ClarinetGod, as well as winning the DOTW, COTW, BOTW and AOTW awards with honours along with many others not listed, you're the one acting like a spoilt brat and no-one is remotely impressed with your little tantrums.
Now jog on.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2025-01-01 05:30
I'm not remotely impressed with a spoiled 13 year old and you should too.
"I feel compelled to offer my thanks to the kind responders who tried to talk some sense into "ClarinetGod." Sadly, it doesn't seem to have done much good."
I'm not the one who needed to have sense into me.
"And how exactly would a $20k clarinet have guaranteed that?
I've seen many players with all the gear and no idea.
And besides, an RC Prestige isn't $20k - they're not even $10k.
They're much nearer $5k:
https://www.howarthlondon.com/product/rc-prestige-bb-clarinet/"
Because the other kids usually have $5k-9k clarinets. $20k >>> a $9k clarinet
Post Edited (2025-01-01 05:33)
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2025-01-01 06:01
Deleted.
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2025-01-01 09:42
Deleted.
Post Edited (2025-01-02 00:34)
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Author: symphony1010
Date: 2025-01-01 22:41
It's a shame this thread was diverted from what was just a straightforward, interesting performance by a promising young player.
The only thing I would say about having this much capability at 13 is where the player goes after this. In many cases it works out just fine - thinking Julian Bliss - but occasionally the player stagnates when they can play all the standard repertoire with ease. This much ability also does not guarantee an orchestral career as there is much more to it than simply being able to play well.
It will be interesting, as ever, to see how this career moves forward.
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Author: RBlack
Date: 2025-01-01 23:24
I completely agree with you.
A very young player recently won an audition for a local symphony to me, and I can’t help but wonder how it will work out in the long run. Obviously playing ability is no issue, but in terms of participating in a section, and even interest in staying with The job long-term.
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Author: David H. Kinder
Date: 2025-01-02 02:07
The instrument doesn't play itself.
The musician plays the instrument, not the other way around.
Jealousy will hold one back in life though.
Getting back into playing after 20 years.
Ridenour AureA Bb clarinet
Vandoren M15 Profile 88 (non-13) mouthpiece
Vandoren Optimum Silver ligature (plate 1)
Vandoren blue-box #3.5 reeds
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2025-01-02 03:15
ClarinetGod,
In the highly unlikely event that 13-year-old Baptiste Amet read this thread, how do you think this child would feel about your comments?
You don’t sound very mature yourself, but it might be worth considering the kind of comments you make online in the future before they remain there permanently.
In any case, you’ve certainly made yourself highly unpopular on this forum.
My kindest wishes that you grow up a bit in 2025.
Robert
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2025-01-02 03:58
I've had people give me very hurtful comments when I was 10-12 and I'm perfectly fine.
If he played an instrument other than the instrument his professional musician relative plays, I'd give him a bit more respect.
"The instrument doesn't play itself.
The musician plays the instrument, not the other way around."
Most cliche advice ever. It doesn't help.
Post Edited (2025-01-02 04:05)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2025-01-02 04:21
You're definitely not helping yourself.
Put the shovel down as you've already practically dug yourself right through the earth.
And your mum plays a Mendini by Cecilio clarinet.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2025-01-02 04:56
I help myself by not believing the bullshit people say about my playing.
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Author: David H. Kinder
Date: 2025-01-02 04:58
Someone has PLOM disease really bad. Almost clinical levels. (Poor Little 'Ol Me).
So he's a second generation musician? Of course that gives him an advantage. (duh).
However, if he was really bad, they'd say the same thing: "Oh listen to how bad that performance was! He's the relative of that famous guy! He should've been better!"
But let's address the real problem in the thread.
The problem isn't 'out there'. The problem you have (as demonstrated by the dripping attitude in your posts) is your attitude and view of the world.
It's as if everyone is out to get you. We're not - we probably don't know you, but somehow, you think that life has done you wrong.
Attitude affects behavior, which in turn affects technique.
I hope you can find this attitude within you, evaluate it, determine if it's serving you or not... and then choose a new path and focus.
You may even want to consider therapy depending on how far back and entrenched this is in your life and how it's been affecting you.
You'll feel a lot healthier about yourself.
Getting back into playing after 20 years.
Ridenour AureA Bb clarinet
Vandoren M15 Profile 88 (non-13) mouthpiece
Vandoren Optimum Silver ligature (plate 1)
Vandoren blue-box #3.5 reeds
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2025-01-02 05:13
I'm perfectly fine.
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Author: David H. Kinder
Date: 2025-01-02 05:15
Denial... is not a river in Egypt.
Getting back into playing after 20 years.
Ridenour AureA Bb clarinet
Vandoren M15 Profile 88 (non-13) mouthpiece
Vandoren Optimum Silver ligature (plate 1)
Vandoren blue-box #3.5 reeds
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Author: ClarinetGod
Date: 2025-01-02 05:24
It'd be a waste of time to go to therapy.
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Author: David H. Kinder
Date: 2025-01-02 05:27
Interesting observation.
Sometimes therapy can just be affirming that we're on the right track and sometimes it can help us to think soemthing more empowering.
And sometimes it's just helpful to hear "No, you're not crazy."
But what do I know? I'm only 47 with some life experience.
Getting back into playing after 20 years.
Ridenour AureA Bb clarinet
Vandoren M15 Profile 88 (non-13) mouthpiece
Vandoren Optimum Silver ligature (plate 1)
Vandoren blue-box #3.5 reeds
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2025-01-02 19:14
ClarinetGod,
You've done yourself no favours on this forum with your whining and snivelling. The world is full of talented musicians who started their careers using whatever instrument they could find and overcame this by putting in the work necessary to develop their talent.
If this young man is fortunate enough to start his career on a good instrument then good luck to him. Perhaps if you had put the same effort into playing as he has you actually might have secured that elusive first chair that so eluded you. Perhaps you're not as talented as you seem to think.
Enough of this.
To use a biblical expression, go forth and multiply.
Tony F.
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2025-01-02 22:08
STOP! JUST STOP...ALL OF YOU...JUST STOP THIS BASHING MADNESS!
Two nights ago, around 3am MST, I asked ClarinetGod what instrument he played in school. He replied with the webpage URL of the Mendini clarinet that was sold by Amazon. I tried to delete it, but I forgot that 3am MST in the US is probably the middle of the day in Europe and Chris P. saw it before I could erase it and, imho, disparagingly mentions that his "mum" plays it.
Now, let's assume that he was actually telling the truth. How many of you through countless hours of practice really believe that you could take this cheap, Chinese CSO, blend beautifully with the other clarinet players and actually win First Chair in the Texas All-State band? I've listened to the Mendini on YouTube and, IMHO, it's a total piece of junk. It sounded horrible!
None of us (and you can put me at the top of this list) have any idea of what kind of childhood ClarinetGod may possibly have had to endure. None of us. If all his parents could afford was a cheap, CSO, that alone should tell us a lot.
Yes, I have analyzed all of ClarinetGod's postings and what I come away with is that he is overflowing with anger. I view his judgements as verbal lines of attacks. (Actually, psychologically speaking, his anger is what is most likely called "misdirected anger".)
He says he is "perfectly fine". Well, people who are "perfectly fine" do not go around attacking the accomplishments of others and even attacking all of the viewers who "worship" (his analysis) young AMET. Yes, I deem him to be in denial and yes, imo, ClarinetGod needs therapy. How can I be so sure? Many years of my own personal therapy have taught me a lot.
I'm going to stop now. None of us, including me, do not have even the slightest clue as to what his childhood may have been like.
I like to think that we are better than this. I sure hope we are...
The usual disclaimer...just my opinions.
Post Edited (2025-01-02 22:14)
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Author: symphony1010
Date: 2025-01-02 23:31
Well, you are correct in the sense that none of our replies, however carefully considered have made the slightest bit of difference.
As an aside, writing from the UK, there is seemingly a high degree of competitiveness and consequent stress in gaining places in American wind bands. Further to this I presume schools and colleges don't supply instruments to students in need as they might do elsewhere?
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Author: David H. Kinder
Date: 2025-01-03 00:16
symphony1010 wrote:
> Well, you are correct in the sense that none of our replies,
> however carefully considered have made the slightest bit of
> difference.
>
> As an aside, writing from the UK, there is seemingly a high
> degree of competitiveness and consequent stress in gaining
> places in American wind bands. Further to this I presume
> schools and colleges don't supply instruments to students in
> need as they might do elsewhere?
Like many things in life, it depends.
I graduated HS 28 years ago. I played on a Yamaha plastic clarinet. It was good for what it does. I also played bass clarinet - the school's Bundy bass. Again, it was good for what it does, although I couldn't do fast articulation. I don't remember the piece, but it had a two-measure bass clarinet solo... and I just couldn't do it!
My senior year, I finally got a used R13 and I played the local community college's Selmer 32 Bass Clarinet. I know a few years ago they got some Buffet Crampon Low-C bass clarinets. Leaps and bounds above the Bundy I played. That two-measure solo... would've been no problem with such an instrument.
I recall my senior year, our clarinet section had a lot of quality instruments in it: 4 R13s (including a greenline) and a Yamaha CX. (I was also working at a local music store, so I was paying attention to it.) These were certainly not provided by the music program.
I was in an upper-class area, but I certainly didn't have the resources (or frankly the desire) to own my own bass clarinet for multiple-thousands of dollars.
As we know, we just passed "Sleigh Ride" season on YouTube. This link was from two years ago from the bass clarinet perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMZKsG4uSX4
I commented: "A high school with TWO buffet crampon prestige bass clarinets? Wow! I only played on a Bundy in my high school years."
As this forum knows, these are $10k - $15k instruments!
The latest response posted to that comment the other day: "My middle school has two of them and I play one!" Someone else posted: "wait till they find out we have 5."
I think each school is different and the resources for those schools are provided in different ways.
I think the emphasis on having professional instruments in high school years has certainly increased along with the highest-end artist quality instruments (and price tags).
Speaking as a 20-year financial professional, there is a growing disparity between the "have's" and the "have not's." I am highly attuned to it, particularly in California.
Only 10% of American's earn more than $110,000 per year according to the Office of the Chief Actuary of Social Security.
When I see the prices of some of these instruments ($5k - $15k for the Backun Carbon Fiber clarinet with cocobolo), and how it was difficult for ME 27 years ago, my heart goes out to those ambitious students - it really does! Are parents expected to buy these? I know... they're really meant for the top professional players, not necessarily students... but with increasing pressure, the notion that "if I just had the XYZ clarinet it would solve all my problems."
I play on a Ridenour AureA Bb clarinet... and while I had some issues myself with it, it (and I) now plays beautifully! (The thumb saddle was part of the issue, so that's gone now.) For less than $2,000 I have an artist quality clarinet for myself to relearn on.
I would hope that ambitious, but financially challenged/strapped students would look for innovative ways to accomplish their goals and obtain the equipment they need to shine.
https://www.rclarinetproducts.com/the-more-it-costs
Getting back into playing after 20 years.
Ridenour AureA Bb clarinet
Vandoren M15 Profile 88 (non-13) mouthpiece
Vandoren Optimum Silver ligature (plate 1)
Vandoren blue-box #3.5 reeds
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Author: kdk
Date: 2025-01-03 00:42
I think this thread has run long enough. It's time to stop.
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