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Author: lucas39
Date: 2021-12-19 18:56
I understand that the standard number of keys for a full oehler clarinet (the kind which fuchs and sabine meyer play) should be somewhere between 24 and 27 keys. What's the standard number of keys for a full Austrian/Viennese system clarinet (the kind which ernst and andreas ottensamer play)?
TIA
Post Edited (2021-12-19 19:00)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2021-12-19 23:28
They're usually around 20 to 24 keys with six ring keys, depending if they're fitted with a low E/F correction key.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: lucas39
Date: 2021-12-20 17:52
Thanks Michael and Chris.
Chris, would you happen to know what this 4 key difference is. Is the low E/F correction only one key?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2021-12-20 18:37
The low E/F correction key is divided into three parts - the RH thumb key which activates the mechanism, the low F correction key which is a small, cross mounted on the body (like the forked Bb/F vent) which is automatically closed by the low E key and then the low E correction key which is mounted on the bell.
Some also may have the extra F/C key on the top joint for LH finger 2, so added to the low E/F correction key, that's another four keys.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: ebonite
Date: 2021-12-20 19:10
The way that keys are counted is different for German/Austrian clarinets, compared with Boehm system ones.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2021-12-20 20:32
I don't understand how they count them as I counted all the keys on my Oehler system which is a 24 key one (no low E/F correction key) and that has way more than 24 keys if you count every individual key.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: ebonite
Date: 2021-12-20 21:06
Chris P wrote:
> I don't understand how they count them as I counted all the
> keys on my Oehler system which is a 24 key one (no low E/F
> correction key) and that has way more than 24 keys if you count
> every individual key.
>
Not sure either... and it's possible that different makers have different ways of counting them
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2021-12-20 21:16
If you count the touchpieces, you don't get anywhere near the number. Then if you count all the individual keys, you get too many.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: lucas39
Date: 2021-12-21 18:20
Thanks for the explanation, Chris, I understand now.
Do you think that the low E/F correction key makes any real difference and is really necessary? I'm considering a Schreiber D42 (which doesn't have the low E/F correction).
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2021-12-21 18:53
On my two F.A.Uebel Oehler system B- clarinets, one with, the other without low E/F correction, E made a big, F a smaller difference.
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Author: lucas39
Date: 2021-12-21 19:22
Would the two notes be horrendously out of tune if it weren't for the E/F correction key? Do you think you would be able to make do without the correction key?
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2021-12-21 22:14
I wouldn’t get a German (or Austrian) horn without the bell vent. Oehler horns are acoustically designed so that the middle line “B” is in tune and not slightly sharp as it is on Boehm. Without the correction you can kinda lip up a very soft low “E” but you’re really limited.
……………..Paul Aviles
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