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Author: m1964
Date: 2019-12-07 02:18
I was browsing through a couple of US websites and noted that the Buffet Prestige RC is now priced higher than Prestige R13- $130 more for a Bb and $400 more for an A clarinet.
However, Festival Bb is about $2000 cheaper than R13 Prestige.
On Howarth's (UK) website, all three models are priced the same.
I also think I read somewhere (possibly on this very forum) that Buffet is going to raise prices after New Year.
Would such price increase on new Buffets cause other manufacturers to increase prices as well?
Would it affect used market ?
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2019-12-07 03:23
yes
For example in 1977 an R13 was about $750. In 1980 it was about $1,000. Fast forward to 2015 the R13 came in around $3,200. Today Woodwind Brasswind has them at $3,600.
My stepfather was a hardcore businessman. He use to say, "inflation is good."
I'm not so sure, but the cost of living usually goes up at the end of the fiscal year or calendar year. Merry Christmas.
.................Paul Aviles
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Author: fernie121
Date: 2019-12-07 04:06
I’m a professional cabinet and counter maker. We raise our prices every year. And we will continue to raise our prices every year until someone complains and it starts to hurt our jobs coming in. I’d imagine Buffet does the same. People keep buying them, so they will keep raising the prices.
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Author: m1964
Date: 2019-12-07 21:03
2020 would become a "Selmer year" if I did not invest into Buffet Bb already.
I "feel" that an A clarinet should be from the same maker.
Does anyone play Bb and A clarinets from different manufacturers?
If yes, any problems swithching between them? I am thinking of not only fingers position but about "feel" as well -blowing resistance, intonation issues...
Thanks
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Author: donald
Date: 2019-12-08 03:02
I played an R13 b flat with a Yamaha custom 85-2 (pre the cs/cx etc) for many years in a professional setting. All the problems started when I decided to try to find a Buffet A clarinet....
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2019-12-08 19:30
I found my receipt for my Buffet 1193 Prestige bass that I bought in 2001. I bought it for $4995. I should have bought two!
Festivals have always been priced nearer to R13’s than Prestige’s in the US.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: m1964
Date: 2019-12-08 20:04
Tobin wrote:
> I found my receipt for my Buffet 1193 Prestige bass that I
> bought in 2001. I bought it for $4995. I should have bought
> two!
> James
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Maybe you should have! It's listed price is over 12K now....I guesss there are people who can afford them .
Do you like it? How does it play comparing to Selmer bass ?
Asking out of pure curiosity- I do not intend to play bass.
Thanks
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Author: smokindok
Date: 2019-12-09 06:13
m1964 wrote:
> Tobin wrote:
>
> > I found my receipt for my Buffet 1193 Prestige bass that I
> > bought in 2001. I bought it for $4995. I should have bought
> > two!
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> > James
> >
>
> Maybe you should have! It's listed price is over 12K now....I
> guesss there are people who can afford them .
> Do you like it? How does it play comparing to Selmer bass ?
> Asking out of pure curiosity- I do not intend to play bass.
> Thanks
In reality, don't feel that you missed out. If you put that $5,000.00 into a S&P 500 Index ETF on January 1, 2001, the true annualized return would have been 5.66%, giving you over $13,000.00 on December 31, 2018 to buy that low C bass this year. That includes miserable years with significant losses in 2001, 2002 and 2008. Low C bass value has simply kept up with the S&P 500.
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Author: Tom H
Date: 2019-12-09 06:42
My Buffet R13 history. All of these bought new.
1971- $265 U.S.
1979- $520 Canadian Dollars
1999- $1,997 U.S. (tax included)
--recently heard that someone paid $6K for a Buffet, maybe 8-10 years ago (may not be R13 though).
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Author: m1964
Date: 2019-12-09 21:34
On 12-9-19 smokindok wrote:
"In reality, don't feel that you missed out. If you put that $5,000.00 into a S&P 500 Index ETF on January 1, 2001, the true annualized return would have been 5.66%, giving you over $13,000.00 on December 31, 2018 to buy that low C bass this year. That includes miserable years with significant losses in 2001, 2002 and 2008. Low C bass value has simply kept up with the S&P 500."
I understand that everything is going up in price, not only musical instruments.
However, the prices on new pro-level clarinets seem to be very high.
I guess if I made living playing clarinet, I would feel differently.
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Author: TomS
Date: 2019-12-09 21:44
Back 50+ years ago, all of the top clarinets (Leblanc LL, R13, Series 9 and 10 ...etc) had a list price of $400-$450. (Selmer Mark 6 alto sax was $600)
No one usually got a discount, you just paid list price. Families had savings for such things! Families had (one) good income! Families ate dinner together! People didn't waste 10 hours per day staring at an iPhone! Don't get me started ...!!
If you were a college student and your professor had connections, you could get an R13 for about $300! Buffets in my area (Arkansas) were almost unheard of until you got to some universities, and found out about the Buffets.
The clarinet of choice was the LL, in the 1960s, in HS.
Tom
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Author: m1964
Date: 2019-12-10 05:40
TomS wrote:
> Back 50+ years ago, all of the top clarinets (Leblanc LL, R13,
> Series 9 and 10 ...etc) had a list price of $400-$450. (Selmer
> Mark 6 alto sax was $600)
>
> No one usually got a discount, you just paid list price.
> Families had savings for such things! Families had (one) good
> income! Families ate dinner together! People didn't waste 10
> hours per day staring at an iPhone! Don't get me started ...!!
>
> If you were a college student and your professor had
> connections, you could get an R13 for about $300! Buffets in
> my area (Arkansas) were almost unheard of until you got to some
> universities, and found out about the Buffets.
>
> The clarinet of choice was the LL, in the 1960s, in HS.
>
Well, now (thanks to iPhone) every HS student and parents know about Mark VI, Buffets, etc.
And, I guess, some parents can afford these instruments, often bought new.
Too bad, someone still needs to play those expensive instruments- for the amount of money it really should play by itself. Like those electric grand pianos- you can play it or push a button and keys start going on their own!.
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Author: Tom H
Date: 2019-12-10 06:11
A little off topic, but since the S & P 500 was mentioned, I'll point out that the DOW closed 2009 at about 10,400--the approximate same as it's close in 2000.
So it depends on what you're invested in.
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Boreal Ballad for unaccompanied clarinet-Sheet Music Plus item A0.1001314.
Musicnotes product no. MNO287475
Post Edited (2019-12-10 06:12)
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