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    | Author: Caroline Smale Date:   2009-09-10 19:10
 
 I have just watched on tv  the Vienna Philharmonic at the BBC proms playing Haydn. Any feminists will be much heartened to hear that there are now at least 3 female members including the co-concert master another first violin and the second bassoon - his must be an absolute first for their woodwind section.  No clarinets in the first half but the second includes Schubert 9th Symphony with a much fuller orchestra so shall scan the ranks with interest.
 
 
 
 
 
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    | Author: Chris P Date:   2009-09-10 21:33
 
 Glad I wasn't the only one playing 'Spot the Lady' this evening!
 
 Former oboe finisher
 Howarth of London
 1998 - 2010
 
 Independent Woodwind Repairer
 Single and Double Reed Specialist
 Oboes, Clarinets and Saxes
 
 NOT A MEMBER OF N.A.M.I.R.
 
 The opinions I express are my own.
 
 
 
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    | Author: Phat Cat Date:   2009-09-10 23:47
 
 "Any feminists will be much heartened ..."
 
 I think the phrase you were looking for was "Homo sapiens will..."  One does not need to be a feminist to appreciate that the Age of Neanderthals is finally coming to a close.
 
 
 
 
 
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    | Author: tictactux ★2017 Date:   2009-09-10 23:52
 
 Phat Cat wrote:
 
 > I think the phrase you were looking for was "Homo sapiens
 > will..."  One does not need to be a feminist to appreciate that
 > the Age of Neanderthals is finally coming to a close.
 
 Why do you hate Neanderthals so much? Are you an archeo-speciesist, huh?
 ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif) 
 Joking aside, I too am moderately confident that the VeePeeOh - slowly, and cautiously, but nonetheless - finds the curve.
 
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 Ben
 
 
 
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    | Author: Phat Cat Date:   2009-09-11 00:50
 
 tictactux wrote:
 
 > Why do you hate Neanderthals so much? Are you an
 > archeo-speciesist, huh?
 ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif) 
 Don't hate 'em...just their policies.
 
 
 
 
 
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    | Author: Nessie1 Date:   2009-09-11 07:38
 
 Any orchestra which, in this day and age, continues a sexist selection policy just makes me wonder which part of their anatomy these men use to play their instruments.
 
 Vanessa.
 
 
 
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    | Author: Chris P Date:   2009-09-11 09:13
 
 If there was a Vienna Ladies Orchestra that was for ladies, I'm sure that too would be deemed sexist on their selection policy.
 
 Former oboe finisher
 Howarth of London
 1998 - 2010
 
 Independent Woodwind Repairer
 Single and Double Reed Specialist
 Oboes, Clarinets and Saxes
 
 NOT A MEMBER OF N.A.M.I.R.
 
 The opinions I express are my own.
 
 
 
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    | Author: Ed Palanker Date:   2009-09-11 10:36
 
 Lets all welcome the VP into the 21st century.  ESP  http://eddiesclarinet.com
 
 
 
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    | Author: D Dow Date:   2009-09-11 13:15
 
 I believe there are a number of ensembles in Vienna that are all ladies.  I notice that Andre Rieu has mostly women in his concert groups as well.  As of late I notice he has alot more men on stage...usually at the back.  Of course for alot of people he is more like the Lawrence Welk of Wein.
 
 David Dow
 
 Post Edited (2009-09-11 13:18)
 
 
 
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    | Author: BobD Date:   2009-09-11 14:30
 
 The young woman clarinetist who sits front and center is more subdued now than several years ago when, thinking she was not being observed,  prodded Andre in the rear end with her clarinet. Yes, I saw it.  How about Phil Spitalney and his All Girl Orchestra!
 
 Bob Draznik
 
 
 
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    | Author: Dileep Gangolli Date:   2009-09-11 20:00
 
 How does a young, handsome 50 year old, talented, good looking male get a job in Maestro Rieu's orchestra?
 
 Hopefully Riccardo hasn't been offered that job also.
 
 
 
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    | Author: stevensfo Date:   2009-09-11 21:00
 
 -- "One does not need to be a feminist to appreciate that the Age of Neanderthals is finally coming to a close." --
 
 You can't be serious!  No Neaderthals or similar primitive life forms?
 
 That's terrible!
 
 Who's going to make the TV commercials!!???
 
 
 Steve
 
 
 
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