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 Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: JWBLennon 
Date:   2009-05-23 00:58

Ok I am unemployeed and just looking for a Clarinet for me to start learning on. So with that in mind I do not care if itis plastic or wood. I just need a good used model that is servicable at my local repair shop should it more then likely need pads or corks etc.....

I wanted to play Clarinet when I started in band in 5th grade. I was afraid I would be teased if I played clarinet because Ihad never seen a boy play a clarinet. So instead of going with my first choice of clarinet I played trumpet instead.

I was quite accomplished on trumpet but actualy played in a city Orchestra as a low brass player. So musicly I am well educated but I am stupid when it comes to wood winds unless you count haveing dated several clarinet players and few flute players!LOL I should add that they where all great women!

Right now I am seeing a lot of Reso Tune 3 by Vito and Bundy 577's all priced bellow $50 prior to shipping. I assume the Berkeley Clarinets are junk since Ihave never heard of them but I will ask anyway's since things ahve changed alot since I was a Band Geek so long ago. I also have seen a few Olds Clarinets but I had no idea Olds Made woodwinds I have two trumpets that are fantastic that where made by Olds inthe 1940 and 1970's.

So since I will never play professionaly on a clarinet I am just looking for low priced student and intermediate clarinets that I can pick up cheaply. The more underrated the better! Just as long as we do not start looking at 14 key Albert models I do not want to rock out old school!LOL

I am assumeing all of them will need pads shortly after I get them?

Life is hard so play hard!

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: JJAlbrecht 
Date:   2009-05-23 01:11

Bundys and Vitos are standard fare student instruments, capable of taking a fair amount of abuser and still playing. Count on spending at least $150 -200 to have it repadded and recorked after it arrives. Also look at the Yamaha YCL 20 series. These are all decent horns that won't set you back all that much, but will be a good start. You can always upgrade later, after you get better at it.

I would recommend consulting with a local teacher in your area and shopping locally. A good source is the elementary schools which have bands. now that the school year is ending, there will be a number of year-old instruments being offered for sale by parents who have discovered their kids don't really like playing an instrument.

Jeff

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: 78s2CD 
Date:   2009-05-23 02:53

If you buy a cheap clarinet that needs pads, the overhaul will probably cost more than you paid, and quite possibly more than the instrument is worth after being overhauled. I'd recommend buying an instrument that's in playing condition that may be returned if you don't like it.

Best regards,
Jim Lockwood
Rio Rico AZ

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: haberc 
Date:   2009-05-23 11:08

Of course you have to be careful buying on Ebay, but there are people selling on Ebay who offer full 100% money back gaurantees. You want a horn that will not need pads, cork, adjustment. Always check the return policy.
There are honest, reliable and solid sellers on Ebay. Good luck!

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2009-05-23 11:30

> If you buy a cheap clarinet that needs pads, the overhaul will probably cost
> more than you paid, and quite possibly more than the instrument is worth
> after being overhauled.

A sturdy instrument that plays in tune and that has a pleasing tone is priceless...

I can say that my past auction experiences with Yamahas, Bundies, Vitos and Amatis has been favourable. I rarely paid over 30$, maybe 1/3 of the instruments really needed new pads, most just could stand a little cleaning and some minor tweaking. Now this doesn't mean there are all bargains out there, but with a bit of careful selecting your chances aren't all that bad.

If you have a mechanical inclination and a bit of spare time you might even try to - carefully - put an instrument back into playing shape yourself. I'd recommend you check out the community/school bands in your environment, maybe they can connect you with a teacher and/or a repair person - it's better to have a seasoned player for a second opinion. (besides, networking is important these days).

You could put an ad into the classifieds here, maybe one of the friendly folks in here have an old Bundy or Vito gathering dust...

--
Ben

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: oliver sudden 
Date:   2009-05-23 11:44

I've had overhauls that cost into four figures that basically didn't do the job (but that can happen when you get French clarinets serviced in Germany...), and I've had services that ended up costing nothing because what was wrong needed no serious work to fix. I'm sure you can guess which shop I'll go back to...

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2009-05-23 12:59

> I've had overhauls that cost into four figures

Ewww. For a soprano?

> that basically didn't do the job

Ouch!

> (but that can happen when you get French clarinets serviced in Germany...)

Call me naïve or undemanding, but I fail to see the fundamental difference in servicing a German and a French clarinet. Laws of physics and common player sense still apply, no?
Well, maybe I am undemanding. Long as I can seal all the holes...

--
Ben

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: weberfan 
Date:   2009-05-23 13:25

I realize you want to keep the cost low, but if you're willing to spend about $250 you can get a good, reconditioned student-model clarinet from a site like Clarinuts.com (it also goes under the name musicremasters.com). Clarinuts, a sponsor of this site, lists roughly two dozen instruments for sale at any one time.

A Yamaha 20, the basic entry model until it was succeeded by the 250 (the numbers changed but the instrument is basically the same), is available with new pads and a thorough reconditioning for $244, as I recall. Some Vito Resotone clarinets are under $200.

The advantage is this: you know the clarinet will play, and if there are any problems, the chief clarinut, Charl van Schoick, will repair it free during its warranty period.

When I started playing again, I bought an old plastic Selmer Signet from Musicremasters for $166. It served me well.

You can get lucky with a purchase on the auction site; I did...once. But $50 clarinets are likely to run you some money to put in playing condition.

Good luck.



Post Edited (2009-05-23 13:30)

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: Ed 
Date:   2009-05-23 13:57

Remember, you get what you pay for. As others have stated, it is likely the case that an instrument at this price will need a fair amount of money to get it working. If it is not in adjustment, it will be nothing but frustration. I have seen many students who end up giving up because they have had an instrument that doesn't play properly. Whatever savings there are up front will be made up for in repair costs later.

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: Jack Kissinger 
Date:   2009-05-23 16:44

John,

A couple of things I would focus on if I were looking to buy the kind of instrument you are on eBay: (1) I would consider a Rideour TR147 if I could buy one in the $50-$100 range. They play pretty evenly and in-tune and come with a decent mouthpiece (unless the seller has removed the original). Also the model is recent enough that they are often still in decent condition. The one criticism I have of them is that their keys are a little on the soft side compared to other student models I've tried. (2) Another model I would look for is the Vito V40. When they were still selling these, Leblanc billed them as intermediate instruments. They aren't as common on eBay as other student models but they do turn up and usually don't sell for much more than the garden variety Bundy's and Vito's that generally populate the auction site. I picked one up on eBay for around $85. Others on the Board have paid even less (he said with rue :) ) If you can find one for under $100, it's worth fixing up, IMO. (3) A Yamaha student model, if you can find one in good playing condition for under $100.

To buy this kind of item on eBay, I would look for a particular kind of seller -- a parent who is selling the instrument s/he purchased new and whose child played it recently but decided to quit (the fewer years the better). If the kid gave up after a year or so, they probably never played the instrument hard (in some cases, they probably hardly ever played the instrument). These often need little or no work to be in good playing condition. In my experience if a parent has said the instrument was in good condition, it usually was. The seller I would avoid is the one who says, "I don't know anything about instruments but this one looks to be in good shape. It might need a pad or two." This invariably translates to "Some of the pads are missing, the ones that are still there are mostly rotten and the corks are disintegrating." (Well, maybe not quite that bad but pretty close.)

Best regards,
jnk



Post Edited (2009-05-23 16:49)

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: susieray 
Date:   2009-05-23 17:22

I agree with Jack, look for a parent who bought the instrument new
and their kid gave it up after not playing it much. If you are
looking for a Vito you can very often find these for under $100 including shipping. Vitos that have a serial number that begins with with the
letter "E" are the most recently manufactured ones and more likely
to be in close to new condition. They may need a little tune up but
would rarely need a full overhaul. Often you can get lucky and find
one with a good name brand hard rubber mouthpiece too. Good luck.

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: oliver sudden 
Date:   2009-05-23 17:55

A bit off-topic, sorry, but just to answer this one -

Call me naïve or undemanding, but I fail to see the fundamental difference in servicing a German and a French clarinet. Laws of physics and common player sense still apply, no?
Well, maybe I am undemanding. Long as I can seal all the holes...


That's what I thought of course. The problems were to do with the little finger keys: on German clarinets, for e,f#,b' and c#'' both little fingers are involved. That means the springs don't need to be quite so carefully regulated. As well, some of the springs down there are very short and that turned out to be a problem in getting them the right strength (the g#/d#'' spring ended up being much too weak and I finally had to tweak it myself). And the pads they chose apparently are a kind that responds best to fingerings with both little fingers; that often makes the sound a bit 'clunkier', especially in things like the slur d''-b'. (The Bolero solo is a horror on German clarinets, I'm told...)

...The four figures was for a pair, and it was at the very lowest end of four figures, so it's not quite as horrible as it seems... still, since the pair had only cost barely north of €5000 I was somewhat disappointed. I arrange trips to Paris when I need things done to my clarinets nowadays - it's not far away, my girlfriend lives there, and Franck Denize at L'Olifant is as far as I'm concerned da hype. :)

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: soybean 
Date:   2009-05-23 20:10

Avoid the Olds and barkely. Get a Yamaha 250 or a Vito V40. The Yamaha is a fantastic clarinet. I use it every night on gigs. The V40 is nice for beginner because the tone holes are smaller and closer together than a typical clarinet, making it easier to avoid squeaking (bane of the clarinet).

You also might check out Sax on the Web (SOTW). there is a clarinet area under the "Doublers" heading where there are many discussions about which clarinet is good for starting out on.

~Dan

(Leblanc Bliss, Buffet R13 key of A, Yamaha 250 Bb)

 
 Re: Ebay Shopping Help?
Author: JWBLennon 
Date:   2009-05-24 23:44

Thaks everyone! I appreciate it! I was bidding on a Vito V40 but let it go because I forgot to up my bid before going to bed! OOPs!

Life is hard so play hard!

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