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Author: cigleris
Date: 2008-11-06 22:28
Hello Everyone,
I've been trying to master the art of multiple tonguing (something that i've put off for quite some years), with the help of Robert Spring's method that he kindly sent me a while back. I'm getting quite good at it and I'm now moving on to finger coordination via scales etc. My question fo those that do is this,
Do you anchor the tongue when you do this? I noticed in practice today that I was doing this slightly while tonguing repeated notes. I don't do this while single tonguing (I can tongue roughly 16ths at 130-35 on a good day).
Any thoughts and or comments would be great.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-11-07 06:26
What got me into trying double tonguing is also Robert Spring, when he was visiting here.
I don't know what you mean by "anchor the tongue". I'm not familiar with that term. If I know what it means I can say if I do it. I can try at least because I am not so good with double tonguing now and don't use or practice it often. I used to practice it more, and after I became decent with it, I started noticing that I only very rarely need it for composed music, and also never was really interested in using for improvised music, so I stopped practicing it.
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Author: Phurster
Date: 2008-11-07 08:01
Hello,
I'm a bit hesitant to answer this as I would not consider myself an expert in double tonguing. However, here goes;
I taught myself to do it starting about 20 years ago as a matter of necessity. My single tonguing, whilst OK, was simply not fast enough for some of the repertoire.
The action I use is basically the same as single except with a punch of air that feels as though it starts at the back of the tongue on the "g" syllable.
I find this method next to useless in the altissimo register. Here I have to adopt other articulation patterns or simply shrug the shoulders and humbly slur.
I have found it works really well in two slurred/two tongued patterns. It also works well keeping tempo when the single tongue starts to tire.
Have to admit though that I would gladly swap it for a naturally super fast single tongue. Waiting for gene replacement research to improve for that to occur.
All the best Chris.
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Author: clarinetguy ★2017
Date: 2008-11-07 11:30
If you go to Clark Fobes' web site (www.clarkwfobes.com) and select "articles," there is an interesting one about his "Synthetic Speed Tonguing." I've tried it, but I haven't practiced it much. Still, I think it's worth further investigation.
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Author: William
Date: 2008-11-07 14:45
John Bruce-Yeh (Chicago Symphony Grammy Award winning clarinetist) said that he used the "over the tip" method for double tonguing the cadenza in his recording of the Neilson Concerto. The traditional ta-ka style does not work for him in the upper register but flicking over the tip does and he uses it.
I learned the traditional double tongue style many years ago playing the trumpet and maybe that is why I have never had any "tongue-finger" coordination problems on the woodwinds. Funny thing is, double tonguing works well for me in all registers on all of the saxophones and clarinets, except for my Bb & A sopranos where I have difficulty articulation above D6. And I think I have noticed that on Robert Springs "Dragon Tongue" CD, he sometimes resorts to slurring in those extreme registers. Anyone else hear this, or is it just my "old age" hearing??
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-11-07 14:58
William wrote:
> John Bruce-Yeh (Chicago Symphony Grammy Award winning
> clarinetist) said that he used the "over the tip" method for
> double tonguing the cadenza in his recording of the Neilson
> Concerto. The traditional ta-ka style does not work for him in
> the upper register but flicking over the tip does and he uses
> it.
I've sort of adopted that technique myself. It works surprisingly well and wasn't too hard to pick up. Ironically, the "over the tip" method seems to be easier to do the faster you go (up to a point, anyway). And I think it sounds more like single tonguing than the traditional ta-ka ta-ka double tonguing.
It's tonguing at an "intermediate speed" that seems to be the hardest.
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