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Author: chazman
Date: 2006-10-03 22:56
Hello everyone,
I am trying to assemble a list of known Leblanc models with correct dynamic information. Please recognize this has been a daunting task to say the least. I started on this quest in order to have the correct model to match its correct number for insurance purposes. I have many matching information, but it is no way complete. Please review the listing, it would be greatly appreciated if known to contribute information to this list. Please know that this is a work in progress. Thank you in advance…..Chuck
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Author: chazman
Date: 2006-10-03 23:53
Sorry here is the attachment
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Author: seafaris
Date: 2006-10-04 00:01
I just bought a Dynamic H and it has a 15.0 bore and mine has silver plated keys.
Jim
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-10-04 16:26
You list Concertos as having nickel-plated keys. Mine are silver. Nearly all clarinets sold in the UK have silver-plated keys; maybe they make a nickel version for the US.
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: chazman
Date: 2006-10-04 16:28
Koo,
Much of this information is no longer in print and unavailable. Further, in terms of research many of key people at Leblanc who possessed this fundamental information are no longer there as well. This knowledge gap has been well spoken of here in this forum. For example, just try to locate accurate information on date of manufacturing. A simple quest for most, but not so for many Leblanc owners of classic instruments. Perhaps by building this list it can help serve all of us.
Chuck
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-10-04 17:12
Chuck:
The very thing you mentioned about the difficulty in dating Leblancs suggests that you add a column to the list that shows whatever information can be found on the years of manufacture, and maybe even beginning & ending serial no. of each model (or an approximation thereof). I realize, of course such information would be sketchy at best, but any info beats none. All the lists I have seen so far say that the info is not available, contact Leblanc - but, as you noted, they very often don't have it either . . . ? Eu
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Author: chazman
Date: 2006-10-04 17:29
Eu,
Thank you for your thoughtful and positive comments. The notion of including serial number ranges and dates of manufacturing will come. This is going to be a daunting task, but I think with positive help those obstacles can be navigated. If anyone wishes to contribute please feel free to contact me or post what you do know. I will in turn compile the information.
Thank you again for positive professional posts.
Chuck
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-10-04 17:41
Hi Chaz - As a Leblanc [and Selmer] "lover", I tried to bring up your attach. for copying, but just got an "Illegal Operation" rejection. I have several older ads, including a comprehensive "wall-hanging" [store-type] poster of about vintage 1975 [doesn't have my L7 etc on it] . Some of your dating/serial/model] problems are prob. due to the lengthy "carryover" of successful models, and deletion [re-naming?] the less-successfuls. I'll dig-out what info [including patents] I have . I [and family] have [sops] an early Leb, a Classic, a Dyn 2, an L7, have worked on a Dyn H, an L27? and others. You have undertaken quite a job as the above comments suggest. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2006-10-04 17:46
chazman wrote:
> If anyone wishes to contribute please feel free to
> contact me or post what you do know. I will in turn compile
> the information.
Please contact chazman directly rather than post. Chazman, please, if you would, update the list with the input and repost so we can move it to the "keepers" section.
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-10-04 18:40
Chuck:
As you know there are numerous bits and pieces of info about Leblanc models and production history scattered throughout posts in the archives on back into the 1990's. Add what you can glean from old posts, plus the anticipated gobs of models, dates, serial numbers, etc. that you will probably receive off-line, and the list should get better and better via an iterative process over time. By the time Mark is ready to park it in the Keepers stable, we should have a valuable & much needed Leblanc reference tool, at last. Thank you for taking on this task. Eu
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Author: jmsa
Date: 2006-10-05 08:13
I have a collection of original Downbeat magazines. In a 1956 issue there is an advertisement for the Leblanc Symphonie Model which is model # 476 and the price is $335.00.
jmsa
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Author: packrat
Date: 2006-10-06 02:33
Is there a way to determine the model number of a horn if you purchased it used. I has an A bought through my clarinet teacher in the mid 70's. All is says on the upper joint is Leblanc Paris France. It has a symbol above that stamp that somewhat resembles a hat. It was bought from a grad student and was supposed to be a professional horn. The original case was sort of an orangie brown color. There are no other identifing marks other than the serial number (which of course doesn't mean a whole lot). Since I'm not exactly sure where the best place is to measure the bore, I measured across the inside of the top joint. It's 14mm. and the serial number is 15417. I know for sure it's '60 or before.
I really love the key action, tone, and general feel of this horn. I like the way if feels and plays better than my Buffet S-1 bought 'in 73.
packrat
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-10-07 20:05
Hi Packrat and Chuck - While looking thru some of my patents and early articles re: the Heckel-clarina thread, I found a June 1949 Leblanc ad in an old Woodwind magazine, describing "The Great New Leblanc" , no model on its pic or is its descript, but [to me] its the cl of pat 1,929,xxx, speaking of jump trill keys, anchored posts,"Flare Cut Tone Holes", power forged keys [Left L F], and "Action Poised Touch" [Rt L F]. I bot one like this for our son in CA, so cant now compare. Not having a scanner, Chuck, I could snail-mail you a photocopy if you wish and you dont find it elsewhere. Just wanted to pass it along. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-10-07 20:23
Don:
Your discovery brings up a good point about finding these old clarinet models. Possibly some of our academic BB members might be at schools with large enough music departments that they have a well endowed collection of bound back issues of music/performance magazines, instrument repair journals, instrument catalogues, etc. dating back to the early 20th century (or even earlier) that would have advertisements, articles on new instrument introductions and manufacturers, "road tests" of various instruments, etc. There has to be some printed material out there about all the Leblanc models if one knows where to look and has access to those materials.
Also, some of this stuff might be in the attic or storage room of some of the repair shops that have been in existance for many decades (or that bought out older shops). Just some ideas . . .?
Eu
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-10-07 21:01
"All is says on the upper joint is Leblanc Paris France. It has a symbol above that stamp that somewhat resembles a hat."
Packrat, you have an 'LL' there - the 'hat' shape is two Ls in script style, mirrored and interlocking to form that shape - the 'LL' in question being the initials of Leon Leblanc.
Hang onto it - these are exceptional clarinets - they may be (or have been) in the same price range as Buffet R13, but I think they're far superior instruments. These were the clarinets I was going to go for when I was 15, but I went with large bore Selmers instead. But I have a full Boehm LL Bb now as well. Better late than never.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-12-13 13:33
Hi Chazman - I have some info to add to your Listing of Leblanc Models. At this time it's partially described in the thread re:Flat Low F. Will be glad to discuss and prob. can find a friend to scan and send it to you. TKS, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2006-12-14 17:55
Wow, what an undertaking to try to keep up with all the models of Leblancs. They've had so many!
By the way, my Concerto A clarinet had silver-plated keys.
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Author: William
Date: 2006-12-15 03:21
Both of my LeBlanc Concerto clarinets (A&Bb) are silver plated, although I do seem to remember them offering nickel plated versions. This would have been circa 1992s.
BTW--according to (then) LeBlancs cheif accoustician, Tom Ridenour, all of the Opus, Concerto, Sonata and Infinity models have the same accoustical specs. And, to quote TR further, in response to my question regarding better wood being used for the top shelf clarinets-- "They all came from the same woodpile". Hope this helps.
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Author: susieray
Date: 2006-12-15 03:49
Yup, the Concerto was also offered with nickel plated keys.
I have one (c.1993).
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