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Author: Micke Isotalo ★2017
Date: 2025-06-08 18:26
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What's the function or purpose of this nozzle-like feature, seen on the attached pictures? On the long axle I could imagine an oiling nozzle (not sure though), but on the adjustment screw barrel for the neck mechanism? These are on a Backun Alpha bass, and there are several at different locations.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2025-06-08 18:33
Grub screw by the looks of it - Conn used to use them on their saxes to keep the pivot screws locked in place (and G.R.Uebel used them too).
Both a blessing and a curse - blessing as they can keep certain screws locked in place if the threads aren't in tension and a curse if someone doesn't undo them when removing the screws, or if they haven't got the correct size Allen key or hex driver that fits them, or they've been over torqued and mash up the screw threads or dent the rod screw and kick up a burr on it.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2025-06-08 18:34)
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Author: Micke Isotalo ★2017
Date: 2025-06-08 20:50
Thanks a lot Chris. Yes, a hexagonal H0.7 driver was suitable. I guess I already damaged the threads of that adjustment screw for the neck mechanism a bit, while turning it without loosening that locking screw first (at least it still turns enough for adjustments both up and down, but I can't unscrew it completely). Thanks to your advice, I at least won't continue damaging other screws. 
Equipped with proper knowledge and tools, I definitely appreciate this feature since adjustment- and other screws living their own life is definitely a curse.
Must be demanding and time consuming for the manufacturer installing these infinitesimal locking screws. Never before seen such on any other instrument. Also nice that this feature is included on the more budget friendly Alpha, and not only on the more expensive Q bass.
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Author: Bennett ★2017
Date: 2025-06-08 22:58
British Empire English GRUB screw = American English SET screw
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2025-06-09 04:04
Pearl flutes and piccolos also use 0.9mm hex head grub screws (with hollow tips) instead of knock pins when 'pinning' steels to parts of the mechanism, but that too chews up the surface of the steel and removing the pinned (or 'pinless' as Pearl call them) steels scratches up the insides of key barrels because of the burr kicked up on them.
I've been using brass M2 grub screws to bush flat spring holes, then drill them out and tap them with the appropriate size tap for the flat spring screw. Works a treat on the Eb master spring on oboes (d'amores and cors) where the flat spring screw is screwed into a hole in the wood which often strips, so I can then use a stainless steel 12BA pinning screw to secure the Eb master spring with no risk of the thread stripping.
For grub screws on woodwinds like this, brass ones would be better as they won't damage the steel screws, but they definitely need the correct size hex driver so the heads don't get mashed up. What may be a good idea may not always prove to be good in practice. I personally don't see these grub screws lasting long term when properly fitted point screws or adjusting screws with a nylon lock (think Yamaha ones which are slotted and a plastic lock fitted in the slot) are much simpler and less prone to being damaged (or causing damage).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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