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Author: MGT91123
Date: 2014-01-14 01:41
Hi,
So I'm looking into getting a Buffet Moening Barrel for my instrument, but then I saw the price tag. Why so expensive? I also wonder what the difference is between a Moening and a regular Buffet barrel that comes with the instrument. If you use one, how do you like it? And why?
MG
Buffet E-11
Buffet Moening Barrel, 65 mm, Backun Protege 65mm
Vadoren BD5 Mouthpiece
Vandoren M/O series gold Lig.
Gonzala's FOF Reeds 2.5
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-01-13 23:33
Hans Moening started the idea of using a reverse taper in the bore of the barrel (some rather fine re-working of the standard barrel) which yields a bore that is slightly larger on the top than at the bottom. This improved the intonation of the throat notes and helped focus the sound a bit more. It was standard equipment back in the 70's and 80's, but with all the new makers out there now I couldn't tell you if there is one particular barrel that the hot players at the conservatories are using right now.
You can achieve some improvement moving to a "third part" barrel, but you'll have to try them for yourself. And yes, they are expensive, but so are the standard replacement barrels.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: ldgunn1
Date: 2014-01-14 05:08
Hello,
I definitely endorse the Moennig barrel. I've been playing on it since I got my r13, and I notice it's harder for me to play on the stock barrel when I switch back to test it out. Of course, this could be because I'm more used to the Moennig than I am playing on the stock...
I had a friend who plays normally on a regular stock r13 barrel try out my Moennig and he told me he was jealous of it, in essence. He said it "made everything easier" in his own words.
Of course these results can vary, but that's my experience with it.
The differences I notice are these:
1.) Intonation is improved
2.) My sound is a bit more open (not in a spread way), and better projecting, fuller, etc.
3.) Articulation is a bit more crisp and clear
The changes I get from the barrel aren't drastic by any means, but enough for me to recommend at least trying it out. I'm not an improved player with the barrel, but it just makes things easier, to go with what my friend said.
I know Buffet has a "sister" barrel to the Moennig called the Chadash that many people prefer, so you might want to try that out as well.
Post Edited (2014-01-14 05:11)
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Author: TAS
Date: 2014-01-14 14:37
I use the Moennig barrel on A and Bb (different size barrels). They are wonderful and enhance a number of tonal and response characteristics.
Chadash is an improvement over the stock Buffet barrel as well.
You get what you pay for....
TAS
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Author: kdk
Date: 2014-01-14 16:02
The (perhaps) interesting thing is that the R13's stock barrel, AFAIK, *is* a Moennig-tapered design. The taper from the top to the bottom is nominally the same in both the R13 and the Moennig barrels. The difference can only be internal. How quickly the taper happens, whether it's actually straight or some other shape (a standard bore gauge only measures the openings, not what actually happens between them) - probably have more to do with the difference in playing character than the apparent taper at the entrance and exit.
Karl
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2014-01-15 04:59
They used to be the most popular barrel among pros years ago until Backun came out with his and many others copied his design. Chadash is also a popular Buffet bore barrel. The only difference between the Meoning and Chadash barrels and the standard Buffet Barrel is how it's bored out. There's no difference in the wood itself and there's no real reason it should cost more than a few dollars more, but it's about profit. There are many barrels that cost a lot more today made of different woods and bores and in my opinion are better than the Meoning's or the Chadash, I've used both in the past, but that depends on the player, the mouthpiece the concept and the instrument the player uses. I use Backun on all my Buffets now and a Seigel (sp) on my Selmer. There are many more on the market today. You have to try to know what's best for you, not for someone else.
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: audio96
Date: 2014-01-16 04:41
I've been playing on a Moening barrel on my R13 for 15 years and really like them. I just purchased a Chadash barrel a couple of months ago. The Chadash has a little more presence than the Moening, but I still plan on keeping my Moening. A while back I got a good deal on a Backun Studio barrel as well -- it's a bit brighter sounding than the Moening or Chadash.
The best thing to do is try a number of different barrels and see what works best with your setup (Mouthpiece/Ligature/Reed). As far as price ..... yes ... they are a bit pricey but they last. People spend $150+ on mouthpieces, so this really isn't any different. It's a good investment, in my opinion. I tried one of the new Buffet Icon barrels a couple of weeks ago. They're nice sound and kind of neat looking with the thin ring .... compare pretty close to my old Moening.
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