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Author: Swede
Date: 2006-10-21 17:34
I am playing a buffet E11 clarinet (for 15 + years now)
I'm been offered an E13 and a C12 for about the same price about $600
So, I am thinking to buy one of these . Any suggestion?
The C12 manufactor year is 1984, the E13 is 1968
The C12 is not silver plated only nickel :( , so witch one will you recommend
Please help !
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-10-21 17:52
E13 from 1968?
I thought the E13 was introduced in the mid '80s - and they were called the 'Evette & Schaeffer' before this.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-10-21 18:46
I see - in Europe and the UK they renamed the student clarinets in the mid '80s, so the Schreiber built plastic and wood 'Evette' clarinets became the B12 and E11 (though the plastic-bodied Schreiber was also stamped 'B&H Regent II' since production of B&H clarinets and oboes ceased in the UK, and when Schreiber and Buffet became part of the B&H group it became the B12), and the Evette & Schaeffer intermediate models became the E13 and C12.
The R13 was the entry level pro Buffet above these.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-10-21 19:36
So where do the Evette Master and the Evette and Schaeffer Master models fit into that picture? I've seen them discussed on some earlier threads, but never figured out just what the difference was in the Evette and Evette&Schaeffer clarinets with and without the Master designation. Eu
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Author: madvax
Date: 2006-10-22 04:43
Swede wrote:
> I'm been offered an E13 and a C12 for about the same price about $600
> So, I am thinking to buy one of these . Any suggestion?
If you don't care whether it's nickel or silver, personally I would choose the C12. In my opinion, the C12 is one of the most underrated Buffet models.
That said, you really can't wrong, both are very nice instruments. Play test them both and go with the one you prefer.
It may be helpful to determine the playing characteristics that you consider most important based on the type of playing you do (make a list). Once you have an understanding of what you prefer (and what you dislike), choose the clarinet that best matches your needs.
When you do play test the instruments, it is also helpful to bring along another experienced player that you trust. Ask that person to play test the instruments and/or listen to you while you play test the instruments.
Choosing an instrument is really fun. Enjoy.
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Author: Swede
Date: 2007-03-02 18:31
Thank you all ...
After my evaluation between C12 & E13 (wich was rather difficult ) a choose the nickel plated C12 from 1984, (first manufactor year i think ?)
The tone and intonation is fantastic compared to my Buffet E11.
I just wonder if it's only the better wood in C12 that matters ?
The keywork is definitely better on the C12 and i also found out that the keyholes is slightly larger on the E11. I don't know, but is it of any significanse that E11 has plastic keyholes compared to the wooden C12 ?
Thanks
Dan
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-03-02 20:10
Inset chimneys are much easier to do which is why student wooden clarinets usually have them, but even some pro clarinets have inset tonehole chimneys in either ebonite or wood.
With integral tonehole chimneys, the outer diameter of the unfinished joint has two or three raised rings (looking similar to the raised rings that carry the keys on the old 5-key clarinets) left at the points where the toneholes are, which are then milled out to form the chimney and the top flattened out, and the remainder of the raised ring is then cut away to leave a smooth joint surface.
This is more labour intensive than turning the joint to the finished diameter and fitting chimneys into specially cut holes in the joint, then cutting them to the right shape if needed.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: nickma
Date: 2007-03-04 11:00
C12 is rather better clarinet than the E13 in my opnion. Some of them play just as well as an R13. The keywork isn't as fine, but they play beautifully - I'm never tried a duff one.
Nick
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