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Author: George Stalle
Date: 2009-02-25 13:48
I have been listening to a really wonderful rendition of the Brahms sonatas by George Peterson with Hepzibah Menuhin on piano. EMI recording from approximately late 60s/early 70s. remastered by Philips Classics in 1997.
Who was George Pieterson?
George Stalle
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2009-02-25 13:59
George Pieterson was Principal Clarinet of the Amsterdam Concertgebouw Orchestra and (still is?) Professor of Clarinet at the Sweelinck Conservatory. A wonderful player and, I'm told, an inspiring teacher!
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Author: George Stalle
Date: 2009-02-25 14:12
Thanks! I'd be curious to see who on the clarinet Bboard has the record for the possessing the most recordings of Brahms sonatas? Anyone ever done a tally?
George Stalle
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2009-02-25 14:51
I wish I had a whole lot more recordings of the Brahms sonatas. It's surprising how many of the great clarinetists never recorded them. I think we should pester Tony Pay to record them, for instance.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Author: Lam
Date: 2009-02-25 15:02
George Pieterson was using a H.Wurlitzer's reform bohem clarinet, but I would say that his sound is really "Boehm", and he uses vibrato most of the time in that recording. Anyway, great musicianship !
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2009-02-25 16:49
My favorite recording of Brahms' 3rd Symphony is by the Concertgebouw under Haitink, and much of my fondness for the performance comes from the gorgeous sound rendered by Mr. Pieterson in the solo passages he plays. No vibrato that I could hear, by the way.
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Author: George Stalle
Date: 2009-02-25 20:30
I must say that this site is a wealth of useful information. I have just been reading a previous thread with some fantastic comments by Tony Pay from a year or so ago.
That thread is
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=288088&t=287970
if you'd like to read it. I'm sure that I'll find a thread that lists all of these recordings! Just thought I'd comment on the wonderful CD by George Pieterson.
It's always nice to keep the Brahms discussion fresh and current!
George Stalle
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Author: SteviZutko
Date: 2009-02-25 22:00
Speaking of the Brahms sonatas...I have one of my students playing the first movement of the second sonata for solo ensemble this year, but I need to cut it down by two minutes. I've never played it with a time limit before, so I've never had to cut it down - does anyone have any experience with making cuts in that movement? (And yes...I do think it should be a crime to cut ANYTHING in Brahms...but contest rules prevail!)
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Author: Lam
Date: 2009-02-26 02:16
Hi David,
Yes, you are right, when I heard the recording of the Concergebouw Orkest recording, I find that the sound of their clarinet section is so beautiful, and I supposed to hear a more german sound on the Pieterson recording at the time I bought it, but when I listen, I had an impression of that could be a recording of Gervaise de Peyer, all the long notes there are vibrato(but to a less extent thatn Mr.dePeyer), which never appear in the solo orchestral passage of the Concergebouw. You should try to listen to this recording, it amazes me too.
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2009-02-27 01:04
George Stalle wrote:
>> I'd be curious to see who on the clarinet Bboard has the record for the possessing the most recordings of Brahms sonatas? Anyone ever done a tally? >>
As an aside, I suppose it's natural on a clarinet bulletin board to characterise recordings of these pieces by NAMING THE CLARINET PLAYER.
But the piano player is equally important -- perhaps even more important. In fact, when I play these pieces, I find myself unable significantly to influence how the performance goes unless the pianist EITHER is willing to try doing it my way, OR had a similar approach to the music in the first place.
Of course, this is nothing new. Consider the Schubert 'Shepherd on the Rock'. Listening to the (so-called) 'Harold Wright' recording made me understand how completely the piano player (in this case, Rudolf Serkin) can determine the interpretation of this piece. Benita Valente and Wright make important contributions, sure. But the musical control is in Serkin's hands.
An indifferent pianist mostly 'does nothing' with the seemingly trivial triplet/duplet accompaniment. But then, the power of the piece is significantly compromised.
Likewise, the problem of playing the Brahms sonatas is largely that of finding an appropriate pianist.
Tony
Post Edited (2009-02-27 01:13)
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Author: graham
Date: 2009-02-27 07:14
A novelty item would be a double tracked recording where the same person plays both the piano part and clarinet part. Thea King could have done it, but didn't. I wonder if anyone else might be able to.
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Author: Nessie1
Date: 2009-02-27 07:48
graham wrote:
> A novelty item would be a double tracked recording where the
> same person plays both the piano part and clarinet part. Thea
> King could have done it, but didn't. I wonder if anyone else
> might be able to.
Michael Collins probably could - he's a pretty good pianist (interestingly, of course, Thea King's student).
Vanessa.
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