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Author: Bill
Date: 2005-11-10 22:24
I was excited to get a Moennig barrel that looks, from the depth and style of the engraving(s), to be at least from the 70s, maybe earlier. Yay. But this baby is terirbly loose - there's no resistance with the upper joint of my Buffet at all. Both sockets are loose (fitting it to the clarinet and with the mouthpiece).
What could cause this extreme looseness? It's not cracked at all.
Bill.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2005-11-11 00:25
For a start, there is little standardisation between different brands, of the fit of a barrel to the body.
The size of mouthpiece tenons is a lot more standardised, but some barrels, eg those on Grassi clarinets, are significantly different, in this case, larger.
Perhaps this barrel was made to fit a Grassi clarinet.
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Author: Bill
Date: 2005-11-11 01:00
Excuse me, but, what? Both elements are Buffet - the barrel being designed (more or less) for the R-13 clarinet to which I attempted to fit it.
Grassi? Huh?
Bill.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-11-11 01:13
No doubt your barrel was manufactured near a gravitational anomaly and the additional external forces pulled your barrel apart, enlarging the sockets.
Put thicker cork on your upper joint tenon and mouthpiece and quitcher bitchin'.
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Author: Bill
Date: 2005-11-11 01:31
Dave, Gordon,
Thanks for the input and ideas.
Bill.
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Author: Fred
Date: 2005-11-11 02:53
People do put Moennig barrels on different kinds of clarinets. The barrel may have been enlarged to fit a different brand. I have often used my Buffet Chadash barrel on other brands of clarinets. Worked on some; didn't on others.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2005-11-11 03:39
It's almost a certainty, Bill, that the cork on your instrument is not thick enough to accomodate the Moennig barrel.
A quick-fix with a paper strip, plumber's teflon tape or thread, etc., could help you determine whether you like the barrel enough to replace the tenon corks with thicker cork for a better fit. Many people like the Moenning [tapered bore?] barrels (for the sound, improved intonation and ease of play) and they seem to adapt well to several different brands of clarinets.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2005-11-11 06:06
Bill could put more cork on his mouthpiece, but what if he wants to use the same mouthpiece to play other clarinets that his mouthpiece already fits? Is there any way to build up the inside of the barrel socket?
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2005-11-11 11:15
This is what I've done on a slightly loose barrel (I haven't gotten around to put a new cork on the tenon yet):
Take adhesive tape (like the one you fix a torn book page with). Be sure you have the equivalent of Scotch Crystal Clear as it has quite a durable surface and won't wrinkle that easily.
Cut (scissors! not the dispenser) about a "3/4 barrel inside circumference"'s worth of tape and stick a toothpick on each end (the result looks like a tiny manifestation banner on poles). Grab the toothpicks on the free end, slightly curl the "banner", carefully insert it into the barrel and put it into place. If necessary, repeat the procedure with the untaped barrel quarter.
(I haven't been able to get one complete turn in one single go, it would always stick someplace else)
One "fix" lasts for at least three months. It's invisible, waterproof and reversible.
--
Ben
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-11-11 11:48
So....you didn't buy the barrel new, but rather, used. Who knows what the prior owner(') did to it. But,obviously, the sockets have become larger diameter than usual for a R13 and possible solutions are noted above. Masking tape or electricians tape on top of the corks is an easy temporary solution also.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-11-11 13:00
Disclaimer...I make barrels.
Even between the same model of the same clarinet there can be enough difference in the tenon or cork or socket diameters to account for misfits.
This occurs with bells, also.
Who knows, the original owner might have sanded the inside socket to fit his/her instrument.
Looseness in the barrel - upper joint or barrel-mouthpiece will cause a leak akin to openning an additional register vent and you will get squeaks.
The quick fix with teflon plumbers tape will at least allow you to test your purchase.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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