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Author: musica
Date: 2005-09-11 23:58
I've always played the last trill of the cadenza F to F#. After listening to a
recording of Bonade it sounds as if it is F to G similar to the first trill. Which
is considered correct?? Thanks.
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Author: Kevin
Date: 2005-09-12 01:17
The Bonade excerpt book has the first trill F to G and the second trill F to Gb.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-09-12 01:40
The second trill is always F to Gb, all the times I have played it and heard it.
I did notice on the "Legacy of Daniel Bonade" recording that Bonade played the second trill as a whole step (F-G), but dismissed it as something curious but insignificant.
It could very well have been something that the conductor had specifically asked for.
If it was Stokowski conducting, anything is possible ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif) ...GBK
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-09-12 02:18
Ditto
Just heard it live last nite at Heinz Hall ....definitely second trill was played F to Gb
The flat changes the whole character of the phrase.
BUT....in the Bonade book, three notes BEFORE the final trill is a Db (by way of an 'accidental')....shouldn't it be an F? (page 101) typo?
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
Post Edited (2005-09-12 02:20)
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-09-12 02:32
The excerpt, as written in the Bonade excerpt book is a mess.
First, the key signature is missing. It should be in 2 flats for the A clarinet.
Second, as Bonade writes it (with the wrong key signature) the final 2 grace notes, after the trill should be E NATURAL and F. Not Eb, as is implied by the carried over accidentals.
Third, the articulation which Bonade uses in his excerpt book, differs from the original part.
Just another example as to why the Bonade excerpt book, which is riddled with mistakes, should not be taken as the gospel.
Always look at the complete parts...GBK
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2005-09-12 04:09
I did a concert with Leonard Sharrow (NBC Orchestra under Toscannini Principal Bassonist) and he told me a story about him playing Orpheus. It's midnight here, so I'll post it tomorrow, but the short of it involves him playing all alone in a part and starting to laugh, it becoming contagious and ending up with the whole wind section splitting their guts laughing
more than once
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-09-12 09:31
I had that effect last week sight-reading the 'Orpheus' cadenza, but managed to sort myself out to finish it while the rest of the band were laughing.
Fortunately the military band version is pitched a semitone higher than the orchestral version, so the Bb clarinet still has the same written cadenza as the orchestral A clarinet part, and the second trill is definitely a F-Gb trill (with a turn at the end with an E natural in it) ending on F4 - but this transcription puts the oboe solo that follows in a bloody awful key - probably seven flats or thereabouts, and I've had the misfortune of having to play that part before, and that's after having done the oboe solo several times in it's original key.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2005-09-12 09:42)
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2005-09-12 12:09
ok, here's the story:
Sharrow was performing Orpheus and there's a part where he comes in all alone holding a long note. The other winds (Clarinet, Flute) come in adding to the chord.
1st night:
Leonard starts his note and starts to reflect on how "alone" he feels playing that note and it gets to him. He starts snickering and his tone acquires a much stronger vibrato than he planned. The next wind player enters and gets the giggles too from him. 3rd player as well starts loosing it.
Conductor was annoyed, but ok - it happens.........
2nd night:
He gets to the part and not trying to think about what happened ends up thinking about what happened and looses it again. Same effect on the other wind players.
Conductor is pretty p*ssed this time about it..........
3rd night:
Sharrow tells the other winds that he's going to nail it tonight, and dont worry - he will come through "he has to!".
So he's sweating a bit as the solo approaches, but he's resolved not to let it affect him as a professional....
Part comes up, there is silence in the hall as he awaits his entrance
SOMEBODY BLOWS THEIR NOSE!
he looses it again....
He said that in his 50+ year carreer he has never had the op to perform that work again so he couldn't "make it right".
:)
btw - the guy looked just like Col. Sanders to me.
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Author: graham
Date: 2005-09-12 15:43
The only piece I've played in where the whole thing broke down through a misunderstanding. Not my favourite piece now.
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